Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

That would be more accurate. It’s important to highlight that these protests are not aligned or connected to Reform or their voters.
On here we have people blaming Reform/NF for inciting the current violence but it is untrue.
Misinformation on SM the biggest threat to this country.

Not all Northern towns/cities are the same.

Many posters have mentioned Leeds, which is a good city because of it's highly regarded Uni, and several big financial services employers.

Compare that with Bradford, just a few miles away, which is an absolute hell hole.

Manchester and Leeds benefit enormously from their Unis and financial services employers. Nearby towns cities without respected Unis and without big "high value" employers are very, very different. The seaside resorts like Southport, Blackpool, Morecambe, etc have really suffered with immigrants, unemployed and newly released prisoners being "bussed in" over 2/3 decades now, and it shows!

White British working class and even posh people left London ages ago.

All this rubbish about the north! The truth is working class people can not afford to live in the nicer areas due to gentrification. So people are fighting for houses and flats in poorer areas that they struggle to afford and with no or little access to the services that used to be there.
Meanwhile middle and upper class people are fighting against vat on private school fees and against pylons that will spoil their views.
No wonder our society is so divided when the concerns of people are so contrastingly different.

I thought it was the whole of UK where the limit for claiming universal credit is two children?

I don't think that's true, at least not some of the time. UK has got the highest rate of inter race marriages anywhere in Europe. I know several people who are Sikh or Hindu and have married/got white partners. I know the older generation can frown on this to say the least (one of my best friend's dad who is a Sikh went up the wall when she married a white guy but they are all reconciled fine now).
I think more and more of this generation (I mean 50 years and younger, born and raised here) are making their own choices on who to marry.

Misinformation on SM the biggest threat to this country

Here we go - the call for censorship!

Can you think this through for just even one minute if you are ushering in and supporting the government censoring our access to information, even disinformation!

Thank you for doing that @QueenAstrid - I’m not sure if you were in Leeds but I saw the counter protest went well there too.
Most of these protests are people from outside being brought in to encourage unrest and division.

I feel sad for our country, and the division created by the far right, and those who listen to them.

@MyHonestRoseSeal She defected to a terrorist organisation. Which she supported in a recent interview. She has no remorse only regret that ISIS did not win.

Compare that with Bradford, just a few miles away, which is an absolute hell hole.

I am not a huge fan of Bradford but I think thats a bit strong. Some of it is grotty but there is a great theatre, some amazing buildings, a decent Business School amongst other things. I am sure loads of people who actually live in "absolute hell holes" would love to live in Bradford

700,000 immigrants last year came to the UK. Mostly England. In 2003 T Blair decided not to put limits on incomers from Eastern Europe when the rest of the EU did. So 300,000 then, and that figure has increased every year for 20 years, apart from during Covid when some went home - I'm surpised there hasn't been more trouble before this. That totals to millions.

And many bring their problems with them - Shia and Sunni, Muslim and Hindu.

And not one politician in the last election heard complaints about immigration on the doorstep - Except Reform - Yeah that'll be right. Everyone I speak to without prompting thinks immigration needs to be controlled - how many should we let in before we control it, another 10 million, 20 million. Every hotel where I live is full of refugees. It is costing the taxpayer millions.

The gov just let this run and run. Sort out immigration and you'll sort out rioting.

Which shows you have clearly not lived there

I agree with this, and as wealth rubs shoulders with poverty, despite the existence of that sometimes very extreme poverty, the environment is just more pleasant. I'm from the north but now live in a London suburb, and when I go home the poverty and dereliction is so noticeable. It's very depressing, it's not nice just walking around those areas as it's all so run down. People living in poverty where I live in London at least have nice parks they can visit. There are libraries and free cultural events. There are plenty of jobs in the service industry, albeit at minimum wage, but I imagine even a minimum wage job is better than no job for one's self esteem and community cohesion. I don't think people in the SE realise what the day to day reality of lots of people in the UK is. Poverty is not experienced in the same way everywhere. For lots in the north, reality is much grimmer than in the affluent SE.

The two child policy officially applies in Scotland as well. But a scottish child payment cancels out much of its impact. So a family in scotland can get higher benefits than a family in england.

"The two-child policy affects 440,000 households, with 1.6m children between them. It affects families across the UK, but the impact of the policy has been somewhat reduced in Scotland due to the Scottish Child Payment.
Introduced by the Scottish government in 2021, it has since been extended and the value of the payment increased – it is now worth £26.70 a week and is payable for each child under 16 living in a low income household. Its currently received by 330,000 children. “It alleviates some of the pressure that you have from month to month,” says Kirsty Murray, a mother of three from Cumbernauld."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87r2enn88lo

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Not all S A Muslim men like I said some are perfectly respectful but yes some of the men who live here are problematic. Gang violence, criminal gangs etc

However, I also think it is discrimination by the police - they don't think some young white girl from the underclass and or care home is worth listening to. It is blatent sexism and classism in the mix as well and the police need to get with the programme and clamp down hard on CSA WHOEVER is doing it (statistically one of your family, statstically white men majority of perps).

Those poor girls never stood a chance.

No it isn't

Hardly, I literally said I grew up in challenging part of West London (Think People Just Do Nothing comedy) and South London and my parents one parent is from the Midlands and moved back there so I absolutely do no life outside of the south east. Lots of DH family extended family in the North East and I went to uni in the North so yes, very much have experience of the North. It is just illogical to compare the diversity of London food to any other places including in the south east! people are asking about integration and I think in London now the eating out choices are a sign of that. London pre 2000 was not integrated at all in many parts and people are kidding themselves if they think the whole of the south east is integrated it isn’t at all but they aren’t going to riots.

£26.70 is significantly less than universal credit for a 3rd child.

This is true.
Rent prices have gone up exponentially.
Those with BTL mortgages have passed on costs to the tenants. This impacts the tenant ever being able to afford to own their own home.
Those who are out of work or low paid are waiting years for social housing. Private landlords openly stating no DSS further restricts people from accessing housing in their own communities.
People investing in multiple properties as a nest egg has decimated the market and increased house prices for local residents.
In my area a 3 bed terrace rent was around £600. Since the pandemic and COLC the landlords are asking for £900 +
UC won’t pay the full amount because it’s above LHA and so the tenant is then worse off due to them having to stump up the shortfall.

Ah sorry I stand corrected. You’ve visited every square mile of the country and all its eating establishments before coming to your conclusion. Forgive me.

Edited to add WTAF has food got to do with anything on this thread. It is beyond me.

The whole of the North isnt going to riots either .