Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

Its the imbalance with which these people are treated that is a major part of the problem!

I didn't and actually said when I saw the Tommy Robinson march it appeared largely calm. Although if you don't think he and his ilk are part of the problem you're being very naïve.

@CountFucula typical of people like you, when you can't silence someone by accusing them of racism you silence them in other ways! You are simply proving me right!

It used to be possible to earn good money in unionised manual labour. Dock workers, miners, steel workers etc.

The economy has changed and they've been left behind.

today's 30 year olds were brought up by fathers who bore the brunt of this in the '80s as industry died and well paid low skilled jobs disappeared / were destroyed. Communities were wrecked and poverty hit areas that had been ok.

Immigrants have always been a scapegoat for the working class when things get tough. It's better for the rich if those with the least turn on each other instead of railing at the inequality that is the real cause of their problems

OK.

Well you think others will be forced to listen.

Or people causing civil unrest will all just quietly get herded up and locked away.

The phrase ‘fuck around and find out’ springs to mind.

I actually found out one of my neighbours was racist recently (or dim, or both)

She was whinging about a new family that have moved in and how we are paying for them "off the boats" and they're taking over
I spoke to the new family, they were homeless, they're British, moved from fairly local and very happy to be out of a b&b
She then eye rolled hearing another neighbour speak a different language. They're local, born here, and both work at the local hospital

They can't get women (incels)

They can’t get the women they want while having contempt for women as a class. I honestly think it’s a side effect of growing up on porn. They feel entitled to thin, young, beautiful woman to use as a real life sex doll who will have no emotional needs or expectations of them.

I agree, but it will still be someone else's fault.

@alwaysmovingforwards that actually made me laugh! Are you for real? " fuck around and find out?" Do you actually think they will lock up vast swathes of working class people when our prisons are full already? Do you not think that if the government try to do that they will cause even more rioting? Also from vast experience of working with the police id say that many of these officers actually agree with them!

There needs to be honesty. Most immigration is legal. Either people whose skills we need (and haven’t bothered to train up our own) or students that our unis depend on to survive. The number of illegal boat people is minimal in the greater scheme of things.
Fwiw much of the anger in WC towns is because many of the more noticeable immigrants (asylum seekers etc) are deposited in cheaper areas. Walk through my town centre and the demographic has changed hugely over the last 10 years, Somalians, Nigerians, Afghanis, many of the women in Conservative dress. Head to more affluent ones and the difference is striking.

Dh grew up in a mining town. He and his dad and all his brothers lost their jobs in the 80’s.

They all have degrees and PhD’s now. As do all their children. They didn’t all get left behind.

If you watched the recent programmes
om the miners strikes, the ex miners speaking were articulate and genuine men.

Its nothing to do with being ‘left behind’ Reform didn’t gain seats in these areas. Its to do with being a racist twat.

Id put them all on the Bibby Stockholm for a year and launch it somewhere.

It's not going to register with the middle class high salaried mumsnetter.

So what is your view @lovelysunshine22 ?

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow It’s not school refusal in isolation. It’s that alongside a whole other host of risk factors.

This data exists - we don’t need to surmise; we know. Everyone who works with demographics knows about this this population cluster.

It’s just very profitable for alcohol, tobacco and gambling companies who commission the data - and the governments who benefit from their tax take - to not draw too much attention to the sheer numbers of men in this cluster.

Also for the vast majority I've spoken to it's absolutely nothing to do with colour but everything to do with integration. Having close friends that work for Border force ( who are all pakistani and Indian born btw) i can tell you that even they believe that 90% of these " refugees" are economic migrants not refugees but how does the home office disprove the stories they are telling?

Apologies. That’s a predictive text error. It should have said non-white British.

it’s not dog whistle at all. It’s arrogant to fail to see immigration is a problem for many people, just because it isn’t a problem for you. It isn’t a problem for professional me either, with my comfy income with private healthcare including dentistry, in my privately-owned house, near outstanding schools. The people protesting have a different sort of life and they are in competition for resources like local-authority housing.

And it’s like protest is only allowed by the middle classes when they are marching against Brexit or some other cause that’s approved by the patronising middle classes.

And just so you know, I voted remain, I’m not white British, I’m a first generation Brit and an ethnic minority. I grew up in a council house and spent some of my childhood in care. I was lucky to be reasonably brainy, not through anything I did, just luck.

@FolkestoneMassive absolutely spot on!!

I dunno.
Do you think that raising the pitchforks is going to storm the bastille?
Do you think policy change is going to happen because a little group somewhere miles away are smashing up their own town miles away?
Do you not think if civil unrest reached a high enough level the military wouldn’t swoop in and rather quickly and easily round everyone up?

Seriously, I’m not arguing with you, I genuinely don’t know which way it would go.
So yeah, I stand by if a certain group feel strongly enough, then go fuck around and find out.

Everyone was very upset that Tories wanted to restrict the ‘right’ to disruptive protests, but now they’re all for it.

Of course,- they're neo Nazis ( I saw a picture of one doing a salute in a police man's face,). Utterly racist, disgusting people. They feel comfortable being racist due to the racist policies of the previous government, UK press like The Daily Mail.
The police need some water cannons, rubber bullets etc. I feel sorry for the police and anyone impacted by the hooligans.

Also for the vast majority I've spoken to it's absolutely nothing to do with colour but everything to do with integration.

Well maybe if there wasn't so much hostility towards immigrants and they were made to feel a bit more welcome they might feel more comfortable moving outside their siloed groups to establish better connections with the community they live in. And after this week they will have even less wherewithal to "integrate". You have absolutely no right to be angry at people for not integrating if you make it obvious you don't want them in your community.

Agree- a balanced assessment

hmmmm, because robbing a greggs and a shoezone is the way to make your voice heard is it?

Economic migrants can still claim asylum.

What they shouldn't be doing is paying criminals to cross the channel and they shouldn't be allowed to stay here. Obtain a visa and come here lawfully.