Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

I'm in no way condoning this mindless violence but just wanted to point out that 29 and a half thousand people illegally entered the UK by boat last year. Not a tiny amount. I don't know what the answer is though 🫤

Yes crime of passion is wrong; it was the language used by defence barristers to reduce sentences for men who killed their “loved ones”. It suggests there is a romance to the killing.

When people feel powerless they need someone to blame, people like Tommy and Farage point at immigrants as the reason for them not having what they want. Then anyone who possibly could fit that description (not white, different religion, English not their first language) also is included as the 'problem', This often spills out and includes people with disabilities.
It is exactly how Hitler whipped up the hate against Jews, gypsies and disabled people.
There is always someone further up the tree pulling the strings. In this day & age with social media algorithms presenting the same message to them it soon takes off.
Scary times.

Oh and ladies if you are on Twitter- we now have the beauty parade of 'normal looking' 58 year olds posting with the 'I'm a thug- not' - all the same- all totally coordinated- they are either bots with fake pics or may actually be 'ordinary people' but their timelines make for some interesting reading- not a thug maybe- just a horrible piece of work

Harehills, Manchester airport and the stabbing of a British soldier was also scary. There’s a lot of scary people about in general. Like I said, we have a male thug problem. Men who feel they’ve lost control and feel entitled to take it out violently on others.

I know it wasn't the best phrase - I was just trying to say that a crime where the victims are known to the killer is (rightly or wrongly) seen very differently to a crime where someone just massacres random strangers.

I don't think it was to do with colour.

The far right has always appealed to under educated men in low socioeconomic groups. Had ever been thus. Hitler had the SA before he achieved real power and then liquidated the group. It's not complicated. They are angry about their low status, and lack of access to resource. The far right offers something that looks like power, fraternity, and advancement, while harnessing their prejudices to achieve aims for its leaders. So the foot soldiers never really rise, while the leaders profit.

Yes - not the best phrase I admit - but I was just trying to say that a crime where the victims are known to the killer is generally seen very differently to one where someone goes out to kill random strangers.

All of the men, whatever their demographic, just want to fight and loot. If there are any riots in central London invariably it is black youth who take the opportunity to loot the Oxford St trainer stores. The dickheads doing the current rioting are from a different demographic but the results are the same. Men are violent thugs.

They aren't protesting though. They're just being agents of chaos, smashing up the community where those girls lost their lives and everyone was still grieving is a mindless and self indulgent act.
They've just used the awful tragedy as an excuse to behave how they wanted to behave regardless of what happened - to cause chaos and destruction.

Some of these grunts will have made their own lives worse by their actions yesterday, criminal record for assaulting a police offer say, and it will still be someone else's fault.

They think they are big strong alpha men yet take absolutely no responsibility for anything they think is wrong in their lives.

I've been on twitter for a few years and my feed (or whatever it's called) has consistently been dominated by education and SEN as thats all I follow, read etc - but over the last 3 weeks, it's been dominated by all this farage and Tommy Robinson stuff. I try really hard not to click or interact as i know how algorithms work with them presenting more and more of what you like, but I am convinced this is being pushed outside of the algorithm thing.

Yes exactly. The far right and far left are just two sides of the same coin. So are white supremacy and radical Islam. I would argue the jihadists are more dangerous because they believe they have God on their side which never ends well.

I agree with you, for some reason people feel far more comfortable discussing some riots more than others. This whole thread ignores non white rioting men who are just as out of control and scary to witness. Both need to be solved.

It’s a class issue. Some of my friends on social media who support and share this rhetoric are from typically working class families. Many have never left the town they live in, read the Sun newspaper, and have experienced or still experience poverty.

However, immigration does affect poorer communities more than affluent, at the moment anyway. People languishing on housing lists, working every hour god sends resent any help being given to people different to them.

The media feeds into this, if you’re living in poverty but being told new arrivals in Britain, who may or may not have a right to be here, are receiving aid in the way of housing/phones etc. resentment builds. Poor communities are very divided, I have more experience of northern cities, Stoke on Trent, Bradford, Derby. There is very little integration and lots of ‘othering’ from both sides. I saw FB post recently featuring a group of Asian men in Derby who had all been arrested for a violent fight involving machetes and guns, lots of racists comments and people remarking ‘can’t believe they didn’t all become doctors’

Because I don’t think it’s them showing actual concern, it’s posturing to appear the most left wing/anti racist person and gain the approval of others whilst feeling very superior. They would be horrified if a refugee hotel opened next door to them, but will happily call others racist for feeling the same when it actually does. They bang on and on about poverty and how awful inequality is, but what we saw last night and the night before is a raging symptom of poverty - racism comes hand in hand with deprivation. They don’t really like poor or working class people (who vote brexit and shit), they just have a Messiah complex in enjoying ‘representing’ and ‘advocating for’ them.

They’re unbearable!

Of course this is exactly right.
If everyone was invested in society and felt useful and valued there would be no riots.

Yes I agree @Rainbowsponge I can't stand the type of mc women you get on these threads. This is the first time I've seen wwc men rioting, it's usually ethnic minority (or Roma a few weeks ago) men which they either ignore or sympathise with so they couldn't give a shit about the misery these disturbances create its all about them. So the op is talking bollocks.

I think a lot of them have raging undiagnosed personality disorders.

Possibly @Fraaahnces but I think it's just a white saviour complex combined with being clueless because they get all their information from the BBC/Guardian so don't know what's going on in the country (see Brexit).

I can only assume by looking at them that they are filled with rage at having to go through life looking like a manky baked potato....

Where is your evidence for this? It’s my understanding that domestic abuse is much more likely in non-note British households.

As evidenced by this 2024 document from U.K. Parliament that discusses the problem of female homicides in ethnic minority women being massively over-represented.

The thing is, when you genuinely feel like you've got nothing to lose, you're not going to give two shits about having a criminal record.

Football hasn’t started yet and it’s been hot weather. Always a toxic potion for creating social dissent.
Working class they may be but not necessarily badly off. Most look like white van man, self employed, doing ok. Spend plenty of time in the pub, like agro at the footy match. Don’t read the news just SM conspiracy stuff.

I’d never thought of it that way. Such a good point.