Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

The rioting and racism is abhorrent but I agree with your statement. We have to think critically about any problem to find the solution. Failing to recognise the advantages the middle class have in this country will further inflame tensions.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think some factor is setting the poorest in our society against each other.

I don’t share the protesters’ politics but I absolutely defend their right to peaceful protest.

This is spot on.

Rather then look inwardly at why they’re not successful or happy in life they blame others. Media then has a constant stream of “look at these foreigners, getting all our tax money” and they think a-ha that’s why my life’s a misery.

'A peaceful protest ' . Are you having a laugh?!

A person puller from their car .
A library/ food bank burnt down.
Nazi salutes.

So many people will be terrified today.

It's shocking that people are accepting of the above behaviour.

@79Helene many of these people don't want to integrate no matter what happens! Also it is on THEM to integrate and assimilate not on the local community to adapt to them! I have lived abroad and it was on me to adapt not the other way round!

Exactly. I work in these communities. We had some success with sure start etc in turning this around. However years of Tory government meant this as all stopped. Mental health and substance misuse services don’t have the capacity to support people to change. They have no opportunities to work other than in the grey economy you talk about. Their children aren’t getting the education they deserve and so the cycle continues.

I have compassion for all those wanting to come here for a better life. I also have compassion for those who are born here and are being failed by society.

Oh dear.

? Use your words.

They're not rioting because they belong to a certain demographic. They are rioting because they feel they have grievances which are not being addressed.

@79Helene well thats a very well thought out answer 🙄

They are routing because they are thugs and agitators.

This is spot on.
These people are thick and underoccupied, we shouldn't bother looking for political meaning behind it, when it's simply knee jerk blaming of others (non white people/ the wrong people, obviously) for the fact they're unhappy / bored.
This country would be so much better without them.
Many of the migrants who come here have far more to offer the country than they do, ironically.

Its becoming more common because the gap between rich and poor has widened hugely and social inequality is marked.
Nobody wants to confront the difficult truth that some parts of uk society have been absolutely exploited by a wealthy minority so its not hugely surprising that these groups are becoming more angry.
Once upon a time a working class male could aspire to a comfortable life. Going into a trade was a respected career for a young man, and they could expect to marry, support of family on their wage.
Now going into a trade is 'frowned upon' and lesser - young men are told it's not good enough and they should be going to university.
Many young women now may not see a tradesman as a good match - they are looking for someone with a university education and 'prospects'.
This creates a pool of young men who are increasingly marginalised. As others have noted, this group are most likely to see migrants as just another thing making their life harder, competing for jobs, housing, resources.
If we don't look after social equality and make sure things are fair in society this is what happens.
The way these groups behave is awful but there is a reason it happens.

This will not go away just because rioters are dealt with swiftly (unlike other groups rioting which has been noted). This government has very low support -one of the lowest vote numbers ever despite the highest population ever and very low turnout. Less than half the number who voted for Brexit voted for Labour they just benefited from the collapse of the Tory vote which was also linked to the issues people are angry about. They are already making a complete mess of things.

If there weren't so many people economically inactive in the UK we wouldn't need the levels of immigration we bring in to fill the jobs.

a white, working immigrant who came here legally, sexually assaulted me last year. funny that arent shouting about them isnt it? just the ones whose skin colour and religion they dont like

No social inequality reason is justification for nazi salutes. Fucking nazi salutes.

Was it in the news?

OK what in detail is their actual problem? Apart from raiding Gregg's and using 'immigrants same with Brexit when they are asked to give actual details of what they have issues with they can never come up with a coherent sentence let alone a full detailed argument

So you are saying all rioters are far right thugs?? Harehills anyone ????

When there's a huge surplus of single young males, it's going to be a problem.

Brixton back in the 80s...boozed up far-right thugs then too?

This post is incredibly arrogant. What is someone supposed to do about being “thick”? They’ve either been let down by genetics or by the education system. White working-class males are often under-achievers.

most crimes dont make the news so im not sure of your exact point? my point is, the save our women, save our kids bullshit they are spouting, they are only directing towards people who dont match their skin colour. they'll be the first in line for medical treatment from black and brown doctors and nurses when they have an accident or their granny gets sick but god forbid those same black and brown people want to live in the same community as them.

But it's a strange type of stupid who thinks, yeah I will spout far right bollocks and then wonder why a woman won't give them the time of day, because after the brown people it's the gays, after the gays it's the women.

It's a very slippery slope.