Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

I think you've nailed it

The mob outside the police station in Manchester appeared to be all Muslim men after the airport footage of the fight and police being beaten up. The weekly appalling scenes in London seems to be a mixed bag of people just united by antisemitism. The riots in leeds were Muslim and Hindu men. The leeds riots that the police ran away from seemed to be mixed non white people in that area. Civil unrest and riots seem to be mainly men. In terms of race the UK is about 20% non white. Recent riots have been about 50% non white so on that basis and i am generalising it would seem from what is being reported that non white men are doing most of the rioting overall. It would be interesting to see the statistics.

Testosterone and sunshine.
Don't worry, from observing decades of this crap in Northern Ireland I can tell you that when it's cold and dark and wet, they'll go back inside again.

Often a control thing. When you're in your trakkie dakkies with no job, or a shit job you consider beneath you, it is a sop to the ego to call yourself brigade commander this or unit leader that. I know someone who was married to one of them. He used to beat her up and sexually abused their daughter.

I think theres something in this. Human history is one long bloody story of conflict, so most populations had conflicts where extremely violent men were able to keep their own numbers down through attrition.

Maybe we should do a russia and just start conscripting convicts.

The police need water cannons to turn on them. The lad involved was church going yet you don't see churches getting targeted because they are simple racist thugs who should be locked up for life

This. These men can be abusive in their own homes. So have a thought for the women and children of such men. These types like to control

Violent disorder is terrible and there is absolutely no excuse for racist attacks
but they have a point with the 2 tier policing. Watch Tommy Robinson’s documentary, it’s always good to know what the people you disagree with are saying.

It's unnerving to think these people walk amongst day to day. I have a strange habit of thinking we are all like minded and clearly that is not the case.

The influence of social media is massive factor. With algorithms exposing people to similar content, content "you might like", it's an echo chamber for some people's bigoted views and many, many people think that because they've seen something online repeatedly it's the truth. Lack of critical thinking is also a factor.

Look at how Trump operates: he just says the same thing repeatedly and it doesn't matter how it is disproved, some people believe him.

I tried having a rational discussion with someone who holds bigoted, racist views and it didn't matter how many facts they were presented with that disproved what they were saying, their views were ingrained. I'll never ever spend time in this person's company again. Oh and they are jobless on disability benefits.

They are posting here too.

They are the new football hooligans. They just to be part of something and they want a fight.

They are easy targets for the middle class version of them who sit in TV studios....

That’s the future of the country - lawless thieving thugs destroying their areas. No thought for other people living peacefully and doing their jobs.

Don’t be so ridiculous.

The future looks tough. I reckon we will have facial recognition and ID cards for public services. AI will scan your bank accounts if you receive benefits to check for fraud. If you have increasing levels of disorder, all sorts of people arrive with new laws and restrictions.

I didn’t mean you! But yes their support is here

Migrants in the UK: An Overview - Migration Observatory - The Migration Observatory (ox.ac.uk)

According to this the UK foreign born population has more than doubled in just 20 years to 14.5% of the population. If we have a 22bn black hole in public finances then are these two connected? can we afford this and what sort of cultural pressure is this putting onto towns and cities. It is plainly obvious that you cannot have such a huge influx of unchecked migration without there being huge consequences. I say this as someone whose parents came here legally, one a refugee and one an economic migrant. There is equal concern about huge unchecked immigration within the immigrant community as there is in the indigenous British communities.

I don't think it's just you - I find MN in general can be a bit sheltered when it comes to what reality looks like for a huge proportion of people in this country.

The demographic here is largely white, middle class women who are generally university-educated and have above-average incomes. I don't mean that as an insult as I fall into that category too - but I think it means many of us have very little idea of what the reality can be like for other people.

On another thread, it was posted that no one rioted when it was a white man who killed 3 women with a crossbow

That was a crime of passion where the victims were known to the killer, though - not really comparable to what happened to these little girls.

Humans evolved with a certain level of violence. Violence was integral to survival over tens of thousands of years.

Now society has progressed to a place where violence is a generally undesirable trait in most of the world. Although men who might be able to handle themselves if it or came to the crunch are considered desirable, those who instigate violence and are predisposed to it are generally not considered desirable. But it is still hard-wired in people. A lot of people will have this hard-wiring but are emotionally well-adjusted enough and have high enough status in society not to act on it.

The media manipulation that has been going on will really play to men who have this hard-wiring, feel disenfranchised in society and are emotionally immature / struggle to resist impulses.

Yes I saw one man make a case and say his family had come to the UK forty years ago from Sri Lanka and they were worried about immigration. They should not be considered foreign and he was British. But these rioters just look at skin colour. I was surprised at the naivety of his thinking.

I find it ironic that the “all Muslims are terrorists” crowd don’t realise that they’ve been indoctrinated in the same way and that their viewpoints are a form of extremism and, when they act on it, terrorism.

if you know anyone who behaves like these thugs, report them through Prevent.

I don't agree with @FolkestoneMassive about the 'why' - a lot of these idiots often live in areas where there aren't actually many immigrants at all - and areas where they are lots often happily rub along- and lots have council houses , housing association or cheap bought terraces -so often aren't even in the private renting scrum either. In somewhere like Bristol , these would have come from several huge council/housing association estates- it isn't the disappointed right wing of Clifton- it's nob head agitators from withywood etc - not insecurely housed- just nobs - and it's not being snobby, it's being factual -

More to the point I think you have to say 'why now' ?? The Southport incident was nothing to do with immigration or Muslims- the guys lived here all his life, family are Christian- maybe radicalised? They haven't said, maybe simply mentally ill

The simple fact is it's political agitation racked up by the Farage lot who regardless of what they say thought Reform would set the world alight and dominate at parliament- they seriously thought they would get more like the conservative numbers because in their own little' cliques' they all hate ' Somalis and pakis' (sic) and aren't over fond of Polish or Romanians either , especially if they dare stray into their 'trade'. They didn't and they won't take democracy lying down-

You see why they are frustrated- in some places so do I but that doesn't make violence and abuse acceptable- I was very frustrated with Brexit- caused lots of issues in our industry that never really was able to fully recover from the impact ,plenty of us certainly didn't want it and had to suck it up- did we go out looting and rioting- no

‘Crime of passion’ is very ewwww. It was classic male violence against women, and the word ‘passion’ makes it sound like he was overcome with lust or driven mad by infatuation. He too was a thug, plain and simple. Like the EDL, like Harehills, like Manchester airport - they’re all cut from the same cloth. Men who have lost control and tantrum because they can’t have what they want - whether it’s an ex girlfriend, or because somebody has ‘slighted’ their religion, or because we won’t kick out anybody who is non white so they can ‘have their country back’.