Southport - reporting restrictions

[mids2019]

So the attacker in Southport was a child (17) so will be not be reported on due to reporting restrictions. Due to proximity of the alleged attacked to adulthood and the severity of the crimes do you think in this case it is in the public interest to release at least some details of the alleged killer? Not releasing details fuels speculation that at a public level may not be helpful in my.opinion.

In addition I would think there may be a high chance the attacker had a severe mental illness so after the Nottingham attacks will the debate about personal responsibility for actions during psychosis be raised again?

@Walrusdress and @Justleaveitblankthen it's been said before but I'll say it again, because people need to have a better understanding of how mental ill health works:

It is perfectly possible to be extremely mentally unwell and still be able to plan and execute your plan. It's just that your plan will be based on false premises driven by your mental illness and will only have validity according to the person's own internal logic, which again will be driven by mental illness.

Mentally ill does not mean 'incapable of logic and will only do things in a random frenzy'. Honestly, your ignorance is disappointing.

The name I have seen also checks out There are some details which have been released and in mainstream media which are very specific and there is a newspaper article freely available which celebrated the achievements of a family member for example.

As inlaw says, he appears to come from a normal, hard working, well integrated family. I guess we will find out more about what led to this tragic turn of events at the trial. Whether it is something like a psychosis or whether something made this young person like this (and can lessons be learnt to ensure other young people do not turn out like this)

I do think the police need to release information about the suspected motivation as soon as possible, ie mental illness, or some other motivation linked to a hatred of girls such as incel or religious extremism. In other crimes they do tend to release this information well before a trial. There is a sense that the police aren’t being truthful with the public and that feeds into the far right violence. More information is needed to dispel the belief that the police are withholding information. This is not a normal crime, it’s one of the most evil that I have ever heard about in this country at least. There is a desperate need amongst the public to understand why this happened.

Obviously I condemn riots and thuggery. There is no justification for that conduct.

Soon children would be able to vote too.

In terms of details for these kinds of crimes, I want to know what the perpetrators are viewing online. I do believe there's a direct correlation between pornography and incel movement, and increased violence against women and children. We need to have these conversations. But I agree to wait until conviction in this case.

Another link

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/southport-stabbings-suspect-performed-in-west-end-show/ar-BB1qYEXc

in the ITV video looks like a very skinny person and can’t believe he could have stab nine people. So much for we do not have guns if knives are out of control.

"More information is needed to dispel the belief that the police are withholding information."

It will never be enough though. You'll on demand more & more and cry that they are covering XYZ up.

The only people owed information are the families involved.

He's been arrested, will remain in prison until his case is heard (or he enters a guilty plea).

I have no doubt that the police & CPS will work all the hours to see that their case is water tight.

Let them get on with their jobs.

The police are NOT there to release information on a supposed 'motive' as that would rightly be seen as prejudicing a fair trial.

I am only speculating here, with knowledge of another case I was aware of.
In some cultures, where people are very religious, MH issues can be seen as the "work of the devil" and schizophrenia can be seen as "possession by an evil spirit". The family then turns to things like prayer and rituals to try and help their loved one, rather than the medical profession.

As I say, I did see this in another case of murder. The family listed all the religious things they'd done to try and "cure" the psychosis but not once was the young man in question taken to the GP. In that case, in my mind, I did hold the family responsible. The man who committed the murder was a similar age to the current perpetrator. He was too unwell to seek help himself. Incidentally, he was only sectioned for 18 months, then discharged. Which understandably caused huge distress to the family of the victim.

I am just speculating, it may not have been the case here. I hope it wasn't. They may have tried really hard to get help for him but MH services have been cut to the bone, so that could also be the case. I imagine that in time we will get a lot more information.

If people feel it's inappropriate they should speak to their MP and start a petition to have things changed.

Demanding one off changes now for one person because their, atm alleged, crime is one that's very awful isn't how the justice system in a civilised country works. Nor should it be how it works.

If you want a fair system that follows the rules if you or someone in your family was accused of something, major or minor, then you have to afford that

You have to afford that to everyone else too.

Caught post too early

Mentally-ill women, like other women, seldom kill. The problem is male violence.

When people like you blather on about "mentally-ill people" murdering, you throw mentally-ill women under the bus. Mentally-ill women are more likely to be raped and abused than other women because we are vulnerable, and less likely to be believed if we dare to report because our illness is used to discredit us.

It’s only been 72 hours since this awful attack. What makes you think that the police have any of the answers already?

It’s got fuck all to do with us. It’s like people are sitting waiting for the next episode of a drama to drop on Netflix. We have no entitlement to know any details at this stage. Dropping titbits to the masses shouldn’t be what’s needed to stop them smashing up communities like feral louts. Wait for the trial, you’ll get your answers then.

Stay well @inlaw 🙏

It's not "correct" to name suspects below the age of 18 on social media. It's contempt of court.

Our lawmakers have decided that suspects below the age of majority should be anonymous. The benefits of this are, in part:

• Protecting their siblings, who are likely to also be minors and are innocent.
• Protecting their classmates, who are innocent, and school or college staff from press intrusion.

Imagine if one of your child's classmates committed murder and the following day the press were outside the school filming your innocent DC and trying to interview your innocent DC about what the suspect was like and harassing the children and teachers just trying to go to the school to learn and teach?

I understand people's fury that we aren't told the name of a near-adult youth who has been charged with triple murder of primary-aged girls. There are other people who would be adversely affected by that minor suspect being named and they don't deserve that.

None of us has some kind of "right to know" the name of this minor suspect and it's as entitled as fuck to act like you do.

Exactly.

People would care very much regardless of race, ethnicity or religion.

A woman with paranoid schizophrenia killed a little girl in Bolton in 2020. I agree it is far less common for women to kill people regardless of mental illness, though.

The judge has just allowed him to be named.

The second name on X is correct

Ah too late
He has just been named

So they’ll all be smashing up churches tonight now they know he’s not a Muslim?

Mental illness is a generic term that covers a wide range of disorders ,from mild anxiety to full blown acute psychosis
When somebody is acutely psychotic they are quite literally outside of reality
I have no nidea if this man is mentally ill or not yet.

Yes this happened near me a very random attack.

This - just because someone wants to kill or maim people doesn't mean they have mental health issues and therefore don't know what they are doing. Some people just want to kill others.

That's why I said "seldom" and not "never".

@Inlaw explained eloquently in her post the consequences of stigma on mental patients. Reaching for "mental illness" every time someone commits murder harms her and people like her.

The number one cause of murders is men's tendency to reach for violence as a "solution" to their perceived or actual problems, whether it's an argument not going their way or a wife leaving them. Most of these men are not mentally-ill. Sort male violence out and you'll stop most murders.