Southport - reporting restrictions

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So the attacker in Southport was a child (17) so will be not be reported on due to reporting restrictions. Due to proximity of the alleged attacked to adulthood and the severity of the crimes do you think in this case it is in the public interest to release at least some details of the alleged killer? Not releasing details fuels speculation that at a public level may not be helpful in my.opinion.

In addition I would think there may be a high chance the attacker had a severe mental illness so after the Nottingham attacks will the debate about personal responsibility for actions during psychosis be raised again?

He’s already been named. It’s all over twitter.

He was born in Cardiff.

He has not been named officially.

Who knows if the latest SM rumour is correct?

I didn't know Channel 3 was a Russian entity - its actions have led to riots in three places, including the community harmed by the murders. What is it going to take to get people to stop treating SM posts as accurate and to realise there are bad actors with an agenda to foment unrest and division?

Got some time to add to my previous comment.
As for former Yugoslavia, it is now 6 countries:

1. Croatia. Christian Catholics.
2. Serbia - Christian Orthodox.
3. Bosnia and Herzegovina - 52% Muslim
4. Montenegro - Christian Orthodox.
5. Slovenia - Christian Catholics.
6. North Macedonia - Christian Orthodox.

I won't be derailing the thread anymore, sorry OP.

Turkey is in both Europe and Asia. Famously. To be honest, as you say, it isn’t relevant. It is interesting though, as people have a quite specific idea of what Muslims look like.

Sorry, image fell off.

I’m not invested in this, but felt for the PP who wasn’t entirely wrong.

Having a bit of your territory in Europe doesn't mean you're a European country. Turkey is not an Easter European country by any stretch.
Are you realising you're quoting Wikipedia?
Please also see what the UN classifies as Eastern Europe. In fact, some of the countries we discussed are not EE countries. We should really go by official sources and not Wikipedia?

Even if all the countries listed were in Eastern Europe, I am struggling to see how that adds up to many, as per the original poster.

How will it benefit you to know these details OP ? If these details were made public do you think his parents and their home would remain unmolested by the vicious thugs attempting their own distorted view of summary justice? Is that what you want to see? How would it help anyone?

I dare you to go to Bulgaria for example and tell them they are part of Muslim Europe.

And Azerbaijan and Turkey? Really?

Just to add as well, countries in red are EE.

Edit: oh no, this map was actually uploaded on wikipedia but it's claimed to be form the UN sources. Can't double check right this second.

People only care because the rumours floating around on social media paint him as an immigrant. If he was white nobody would care

That’s not true. Yes, racists are using this, but, as in the example, I gave earlier, in that heinous murder committed by the teen on that Scottish island, the perpetrator was white and yet people still wanted to know his name. It was (correctly) released on social media.

Likewise, why was Scarlet Jenkinson’s name released as she’s white too? It’s because people want to know the alleged perpetrators of evil crimes.

If they lower the voting age would they lower the age at which people charged can be identified?

There was a young girl stabbed to death in a park in Bolton,during lockdown ,by a women with a diagnosis of schizophrenia ,she was under the community mental health team
We don't know if this man is suffering with mental illness,,but these conditions are very complex if it was a.first presentation for him ( and this is pure speculation) he might not have been known to services..

If he's felt to be a danger to the public he can be kept in hospital indefinitely regardless of his sentence.

The fact he has been charged with murder indicates the police view the attacker had the capability of intent (need for murder). If there isn't a serious mental health problem or cognitive condition this is going to be a very difficult case where I think a lot of people are going to want to see the attacker tried as an adult. Would being tried as an adult allow the judge access higher sentences?

And the age for buying knives, alcohol, fireworks?

I know this is speculation but I wonder if he's planned this for years and carried it out before he turns 18 on purpose

Sentencing guidelines for a child (17) may feel inappropriate and the whole ethos of rehabilitation to stop reoffending may not be applicable in some people's eyes.

People only care because the rumours floating around on social media paint him as an immigrant. If he was white nobody would care.

Try and be a little more compassionate and respectful to the victims, their families and anyone who is naturally devastated for them. Right-wing male thugs probably wouldn't care, you're correct, but you generalise this to people.

Are you suggesting most people are more interested in the accused than the 10 girls her viciously stabbed or why he hurt them? Well, please speak for yourself, but this is a parenting forum and it doesn't take a wild guess that news of primary aged girls being murdered in cold blood at a holiday club is absolutely devastating and worrying to most of us, regardless of where the accused comes from.

People writing stuff like 'If he was white nobody would care' are just as divisive as those who focus on this young adult's cultural heritage. It's merely the other side of the coin😞

When I was a mental health nurse, we had a patient abscond and get on a flight to Portugal, it didn't mean he wasn't acutely psychotic .

I think ageing seen as a child legally at 17 is going to cause problems as this goes to ttrial. The reporting restrictions though legally valid are there for a child perpetrators section and in this case I feel to many this is innapropraite.

From X rumours, he’ll be 18 very shortly; so before it comes to trial.

Then those people should engage with the democratic process by writing to their MP on the subject urging change.

@DottedSquare I'm suggesting that if the perpetrator was white, nobody would be calling for him to be named and for the legal process to be disregarded

I have seen a name I believe checks out. If it is true they are 18 imminently then yes I believe the name should be released. If it is that name it looks to be true the guy comes from a normal family. From what I can see they look well integrated in community and it’s unlikely for him to be a radicalised terror extremist. So hopefully that takes the wind out of the EDL sails.

On the point of psychosis. I didn’t initially believe this was psychosis. He seemed far too focused to me for this to be a psychotic break (ie. He didn’t kill anyone before the place he was targeting). But maybe I am wrong.

For context I have been psychotic once. I have been sectioned. I don’t believe people with psychosis are given a get out of jail free card. They are sent to wards for life if they commit something like this and he would likely get off with a better sentence if he was ‘sane’.

On the stigma of psychosis; I was lucky my family threw all their energy into getting me help extremely quickly. I was never sectioned as a risk to myself or others; but sectioned because I was too scared to take medication (I thought it was a conspiracy to try and kill me) so deemed not competent to make decisions in my best interest.

I do know others who have had families hide psychosis because of the stigma. That they haven’t tried to get help for family members. I’m not saying this has happened here I have no idea. But fast treatment time is incredibly important and when that doesn’t happen it’s likely that person will be in a continuous cycle of psychosis aka. schizophrenia for the rest of their lives.

Even the doctors hide these diagnoseses because it can be detrimental to a patient. My doctor said to me ‘If I was to bet I would say you have schizophrenia.’, but ‘I’m not going to put that as your diagnosis as it can limit some opportunities in your life’ (Ie. Eligibility for organ transplant, Eligibility for travel insurance, or other insurance, eligibility to be in certain professions, or even get a visa to visit certain countries). So she said that she will put acute psychosis. But if I ever sit back on this chair then sadly it’s going to have to be changed to schizophrenia.

And thankfully enough time has passed that I am 99% out the woods on the relapse likelihood. And that is all down to how fast I was treated and how comprehensively. They really did throw the kitchen sink at me. For which I am forever grateful.