Southport - reporting restrictions

[mids2019]

So the attacker in Southport was a child (17) so will be not be reported on due to reporting restrictions. Due to proximity of the alleged attacked to adulthood and the severity of the crimes do you think in this case it is in the public interest to release at least some details of the alleged killer? Not releasing details fuels speculation that at a public level may not be helpful in my.opinion.

In addition I would think there may be a high chance the attacker had a severe mental illness so after the Nottingham attacks will the debate about personal responsibility for actions during psychosis be raised again?

It’s all over Twitter as PP have said; his name has been redacted from google and searches show that results can’t be shown, pretty much confirms it.

"Also, if he had MH issues, wouldn’t they have already said he’d been detained under the MH act."

No. It's an active criminal investigation. Even if the perpetrator had MHN, and that's pure speculation at this stage right now he's still in police detention. IF and when they proceed to charge he'll be remanded and at that stage the Crown Court can remand to hospital rather prison under the MHA for assessment pending the trial. Given his age he's more likely to be remanded to youth detnetion and assessments carried out there.

There is literally nothing to go on right now.

But even if he has MHN he'll still be charged and convicted in the same way. The only difference may be that the CPS agrees a charge of manslaughter with diminished responsibility on the homicide charges IF that's more likely than murder. Even then he will still be tried and found guilty of the offence, he's just likely to be sentenced to a hospital order.

The Calocane case was tragic, but a major reason the 5 psychiatrists who assessed him and agreed he had active psychosis at the time of his crimes also recommended that a hospital order with restrictions under the MHA was better than transferring him to prison under a hybrid sentence is that under his current order if he is ever discharged from hospital he'll be conditionally discharged and supervised by MH in the community for the rest of his life, and can be recalled to hospital immediately if he stops engaging with treatment. Whereas if he moves to prison he will be able to apply for parole and subject to a probation order if released. Adding a punitive element to his sentence will do nothing to improve public safety. And statistically he is likely to spend much longer in hospital than in prison.

Why do we need to know his name? What good will it do? Just let the police and the courts do their jobs fgs.

The worse thing about all this speculation and naming him on social media is that it stops him having a fair trial, which in turn stops the families getting justice for their little girls. But the thickos don’t think about any of that while they’re lobbing rocks at the police and setting fire to cars, bins and fences.

It’s already been said but if this person turns 18 before they stand trial, the reporting restrictions will expire and the press will be free to report their identity.
If they are still 17 the media can apply for the restrictions to be lifted. In a case like this, I’d say there is an extremely high chance the application would be successful following conviction (I have a lot of experience in this field).

Presumably motivations may be something that is an important part of any upcoming court case, so it would be deeply inappropriate to jeopardise a fair trial because some thugs think they need to know.

They have

He was born in the UK to immigrants from Rwanda

He barely left the house apparently

No idea what made him do this

My facts are from the Today show this morning on Radio 4

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cant-currently-name-male-arrested-29647190

I wonder if he has incel/Andrew Tate ideals

And the very last thing the grieving families and the local population needs at the moment is a bunch of violent vigilantes setting fire to the place and attacking the very emergency services who had to deal with the tragedy.

There will be CCTV footage from the train station hopefully.

I can’t ever remember reading about a person with serious MH issues targeting little girls in a dance class.

I can't ever remember reading about a person without MH issues targeting little girls in a dance class either so that doesn't prove anything either way.

What we actually need to know- explicitly- is how we are being manipulated by bad actors.

A name, faith, and reference to mental health and immigration status was repeatedly shared yesterday. Repeatedly.

Anyone who bought into that needs to have a serious think, and we all need to understand how bad actors are using social media to manipulate us.

It’s the most important part of this, imo, given that we can’t help the victims.
We need to be better about stopping the riots and backlash by stopping misinformation.

That was my thought but it's pure speculation at the moment.

Targetting women and girls should be considered as terrorism, imo, but at the moment it's not. So, if this is the reason, then the police can only report that they've ruled out terrorism. They work with the law as it is.

Indeed

You'd have to have MH issues to do this in the first place

The Dunblane man had MH which is why they completely changed the gun laws at the time

Thank goodness we did that immediately and didn't end up like the US completely out of control

No.

It serves no purpose. It's not in the public interest either way, as there's nothing the public can legitimately do with that information.

If they say he's a muslim immigrant people will go and burn down mosques, if they say he isn't people will cause trouble anyway like yesterday and say it's a cover-up or lies.

@mids2019 sorry but I am positive I read the name of the perpetrator in the news bulletins!! obviously it should not matter what age he is because he is over the criminal age so is a criminal. restrictions should be lifted for this atrocious crime!!

Calocane is not likely to spend longer in hospital than prison ! That's the whole point of why people were so angry about him being detained under the MH act. He's has schizophrenia which is highly treatable today. You can't keep someone detained under the MH act who's illness has been treated and is stable. He had a violet past and was stockpiling weapons I believe, showing a degree of planning. I know people who work in this field, and have done for years, who are absolutely convinced it's completely the wrong call and he should absolutely be under a hybrid order. Most members of the public I think would be completely shocked at what actually goes on. Unfortunately I can see this case going the same way..only the public might not even know because of reporting restrictions!

Women and children are targeted all over the world

Legally in some countries FGM, forced marriages, abortion bans

Shocking really from first world to 3rd world and all decided by men

Unfounded speculation once again laying the motivation at the door of Muslims/Islam, where there is zero evidence for this and much evidence that it is contributing to civil unrest.

How many of the young men last night were radicalised to break the windows of a mosque and injure 50 police officers? There are more far right young people referred to Prevent than there are Muslim young people.

I take it you don't believe in the rule of law?

Schizophrenia is easily maintained

By now we have care in the community it's up to them to take their medication

Lots don't because they have MH issues

So if they won't take their meds and there's nowhere for them to go and be made to take them for the publics safety

What can you do

Be very vigilant

Thanks for that @IvyCardamom

Muslims must be cringeing at the slightest of possibilities this has happened.

In what universe Islam deserves to be linked with Andrew Tate or incel, even in disturbed minds, I’m not quite sure. As if the suffragettes were associated with Aileen Wuornos. Bonkers.