A third child has died in Southport.

[Conniebygaslight]

Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

There have also been many many women and girls murdered on the last day 10 years. Violence against women and girls by male perpetrators is at an horrific level in the UK.

Let's hear more about the sad victims rather than who did it.

I was reminded of the awful Manchester Arena murders after this sad event.

Just saw on bbc that 2 kids have left hospital. Hopefully the rest will leave soon and they all get the right support to recover from want they’ve gone through

That’s wonderful news.

Just saw on the guardian that the name of the attackers has been allowed to be released by the judge.

”Lifting the anonymity order at Liverpool crown court, Judge Andrew Menary KC said the unrest in parts of the UK after the attack was one reason why it was in the public interest for his name to be released.

Remanding Axel in youth detention, the judge said keeping the defendant’s anonymity in place ran the risk of “allowing others who were up to mischief to continue to spread disinformation in a vacuum
The defendant is due to turn 18 on Wednesday, which could provide an “additional excuse for a fresh round of public disorder”, the judge said.

”

tbh not sure that releasing his name will change much of the behaviour of some twats around the country.

Whilst I agree in this case he should be named, it makes me a little uncomfortable that the justice system and its protection of minors within it has had its hand forced by these idiots. It sets a bit of a dangerous precedent.

I think the very close proximity of his 18th birthday will have been a factor too.

His identity was becoming common knowledge in the area and on social media. You can’t show pictures of his house and not expect it to get out

Remember the rumours that edl had attacked in Southport because there was a Muslim man with a baklava and a knife that was near the vigil? Police have released their name
https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/july/man-charged-with-possession-of-an-offensive-weapon-following-incident-in-southport/

Hmm. Not impossible that a man called Jordan Davies is Muslim, but pretty unlikely. I suppose his motive/mental state will come out at his trial, if it gets reported.

Saw some of his tweets earlier inviting people to come to Southport and join in the disorder

Very much doubt he'd be Muslim if inviting people to the attack on the mosque?

Ah! Sorry, hadn't grasped that he was part of the EDL thugs. That makes perfect sense.

I wonder why they used such a young looking picture?

What would be the point of denying links to Islam though? Anyone who isn’t a total far-right, hard of thinking, gammon shaded, moron KNOWS that any link to Islam is irrelevant because the vast majority of the almost 2 billion followers of Islam worldwide have fuck all to do with this horrifying crime (and indeed any other horrifying crime across the world linked to Islamist terrorism) and just want to go about their lives peacefully like anyone else, and shouldn’t be made to answer for extremists who claim to share their religion.
And the far-right, hard of thinking, gammon shaded morons won’t listen either way. They don’t have the brain power. So what would be the point?

Quoting myself to add, I am not assuming that the alleged perpetrator claims to be Muslim at all! Just incase that wasn’t clear.

I didn't say Islam. I said Islamism.

The devil is in the detail.

I agree, the devil IS in the details. Re-read your penultimate sentence.

What’s a ‘gammon shaded moron’?

i’m pretty sure you already know what I mean, but if not I am sure if you Google what members of the far right look like you’ll get an idea!

I’m asking a specific question about your use of the word ‘gammon’. It’s extremely offensive.

What gives you the right to use language like that on a public forum?

And I answered it.

If only the device you’re using to type and read this on had access to Wikipedia or a search engine! if ONLY! As it doesn’t appear to, here is the wiki article for ‘Gammon’ as used in this context. Hope that helps!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammon_(insult)#:~:text=Gammon%20is%20a%20pejorative%20popularised,pork%20of%20the%20same%20name.

Hun, it wasn’t meant as a compliment. I meant to be offensive.

Okay, fair point. Slip up on my part. But as I interchanged between Islamism and Islam, so did you. I think we both know what the difference is. One is an extremist ideology often adopted by radicalised young men and used as the justification for orchestrated acts of terror, while the other is just Muslims wanting to go about their lives quietly.

It's obviously the first that worries people, given that we've been there before on Uk soil, quite a few times in the last 20 years. London Bridge, Borough Market, The Parsons Green tube, Lee Rigby, 7/7, Westminster Bridge. Steven Timms, Manchester Arena, Westminster Palace, Victoria Station Manchester, the Whitemoor Prison stabbings, the Streatham stabbings, the Reading stabbings, Sir David Amess, the Liverpool Womens Hospital, and the most recent Hartlepool stabbing. Yes clearly some of those people were mentally unwell, but most were not. What they all have in common is that they were all carried out in the name of Islam or some political cause connected to it. I won't bother to list all the plots that either failed or were foiled, or we could be here a while.

It's not surprising then, when something this awful happens, especially to a random group of unconnected people, rather than an isolated family incident, people's first thought is 'is this this some Islamic nutter again?'

That's not to say that the vast majority of non-Muslims don't fully recognise that the vast majority of Muslims are not fundamentalist lunatics or terrorists. But that doesn't change any of the above.

I didn’t slip up. But thanks.

I actually think the majority of posters on here jumped to ‘scorned ex-boyfriend/incel’ type terror when this news broke, rather than Islamist terrorist. I certainly did. The threat of male violence is far more likely than the threat of being caught up in an Islamist terror attack after all.

Strange that all those far right gammons don’t seem to want to hold their own sex accountable for that though isn’t it?