A third child has died in Southport.

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Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

Of course they would, you can't stop people with an agenda believing or saying whatever they like. But once the police make a clear and categorical statement denying they have found any credible link to Islam (so far at least, they obviously still have a full investigation to do) anyone wanting to talk about 'the Islamist threat' in direct relation to this case will just look silly.

Whereas at the moment, things are still wide open to speculation and that is whipping up bad feeling and fuelling trouble.

Sorry I don’t have links but it happened a couple of weeks ago when some children were removed from a Roma family. A bus set alight, police car overturned etc. The police ran away at one point.

anyone wanting to talk about 'the Islamist threat' in direct relation to this case will just look silly.

They already do.
The police can't make a categorical denial before they've completed the forensic investigation of the suspects computer etc.

What they haven’t done is deny that he was radicalised by the likes of Anjem Choudary.

If there is absolutely no link to Islam I'd like them to categorically say so. It would help calm things down a bit. They know there were rumours circulating yesterday that he is a Muslim recent small boat migrant. They've confirmed that he is not a boat migrant, they've confirmed that the Islamic name circulating online is false. They haven't confirmed that he is not a Muslim. Assuming he's not, then they could have, but they haven't. If they are able to do that at this stage, then they should. It would help, wouldn't it? In light of what went on last night, it would certainly help.

They would be foolish to make a denial before finishing - or at least getting a reasonable way into - their investigation.

They could say 'there is absolutely no evidence so far to suggest...' though.

They've been quick enough to deny some of the misinformation. Why not the rest? As I said, I realise a full investigation needs to happen, but if they've found nothing by now to indicate that Islamism was a motivation for this, they'd do well to say so, while mosques are being attacked. It's been almost 48 hours now and the alleged attacker was apprehended and identified almost immediately afterwards. That is enough time, on an investigation like this, which will be ongoing 24/7, to know whether there is, or isn't any transparent link to Islam.

If there isn't, the police should hurry up and say so.

If these had been 3 children of Asian, Indian or African heritage there would have been no protests just gifs and memes from the usual suspects. When Sara Everard was murdered where were these protesters then saying enough is enough.

@TwigletsAndRadishes I don't think it would change anything
People are still saying he wasn't born here and isn't 17
I've been called a racist and that I don't care about the children and I care more about him for pointing out he was born here and for not posting that what happened to the children was awful
I mean that's like posting rain is wet, I didn't feel the need to post it was awful and I was sorry for the families

Perhaps you should offer your services to the police, as you obviously have expertise that they are lacking if you think a forensic investigation, including as pp said looking at hard drives, internet use etc., can be concluded in 48 hours.

Have you ever encountered somebody in full blown psychosis? IF he is, then it's unlikely that he'd be able to confirm anything at present - he'd need to be transferred for urgent Forensic Psychiatric assessment in a specialist unit and for that assessment to be accurate/legally useful, it would take time, as it would if he were feigning psychosis as some attempt to do.

There are only three trusts in the country that do this at the High Secure level that would be necessary.

@Longma no. But I don't want the thread to be pulled so that's all I'm saying

I never said it could be fully concluded in 48 hours. In fact I clearly said I knew it couldn't be. Twice. But don't you think if there is a link to Islam as evidenced through examination of his electronic devices, or evidence in his home, (or a complete lack of either) they'd have an inkling by now?

I stumbled over alleged suspect's real name on X too. Not the fake Arabic name. I was shocked.

They've probably not had time to thoroughly check his electronics given the amount of man power that will have been taken away from the investigation due to last night's protests

Don't you think releasing information based on "an inkling", rather than as a result of weeks/months of investigating, might be a teeny tiny bit unwise? Not to mention in danger of prejudicing a trial?

Why won't people just let the police get on with their investigations?

You don't need information now. The EDL don't need information now.

The only people that should be kept in the loop are the families involved.

Let them get on with their job and you concentrate on your own.

Is it just me that thinks it's odd he hasn't been charged yet?

Stop the bloody boats for a start and get a grip on law and order. Build more prisons.

Maybe he's not being very co-operative

Maybe he's too unwell to give a coherent account of himself

Lots of different possibilities

I don’t know but there is an enormous volume of physical evidence and eyewitness accounts to get in order first. The police will probably need more time before charges can be brought. It’s complicated and important to get it right.

I'm sure it's a method of applying pressure and a good time to garner every scrap of information they can get whilst he's under their roof. Once charged he'll be on remand and then will appear in court.

If mosques are being attacked because of ongoing speculation that there is a link to Islam then I'd think it was wise to put that speculation to bed at the first opportunity. Assuming they are able to do that, obviously.

Of course not, they were all up north. These were local yobs with machetes.