Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

The Telegraph published quite a long time ago that his parents are immigrants from Rwanda, so yes, we do have that information.

The names and photos of all three little girls have also been published. Poor girls.

That’s not quite the same as this

Race and religion have nothing to do with this case.

Which was in pp. we don’t know with certainty what the implications are or motivations

Fair enough.

My goodness their little faces. It’s unbearable. Their poor parents.

As should people like you making absolute statements like

”Race and religion have nothing to do with this case.”

when you cannot possibly know that

Interestingly this has changed since the Rwandan genocides. The Christian churches were often implicated in the genocide. Quite a few people converted or otherwise moved away from Christianity. But that isn’t really relevant. We don’t know the religion of this individual or whether it had any connection to the attack.

Where did I ever do that? Are you getting me mixed up with someone else?

It absolutely is terrorism when half the population are targets simply because they where born female.

The government and police wouldn’t even know how to get a handle on these freaks as they sit in the shadows of the internet spewing their hatred and making their sick plans.

Also when were women and girls ever cherished and protected in this patriarchal society. There would literally be panic in the streets if they declared incels as terrorists because misogyny is acceptable that’s why the government are so hesitant to make it a crime.

Completely agree with you.

We don't know it's an incel attack or not.

But incels are terrorists.

And should be treated accordingly.

What I was trying to say, and clearly worded very badly, is that this murder isn't an Arab Muslim as the far-right are claim. I'll concede that, without me specifiying the context, it came across with a different unintended meaning.

Unfortunately, it is now impossible to have a meaningful misogyny hate crime. Labour are not willing to define “woman” which would make drafting the legislation impossible. Forcing the definition of women to include transwomen is, in itself, misogynistic. It’s too big a political hot potato for the government to be willing to pick it up, mens actions leave women exposed again.

I don’t think legislation will do much tbh. We need to be changing education, social media, the media so that women aren’t silenced and women need to stop making excluded for men!!!

Yes, this. What a bizarre supposition.

Please stop. The legal age of marriage in the UK is 18. As an adult.

No, they’re not. But it’s a biological fact that at 17 the brain is not fully developed. That’s why the age of adulthood is set at 18. I don’t give a shit where they’re from, countries set laws according to themselves. Doesn’t change the fact that in the UK it’s 18 and before that they are considered minors and entitled to be anonymous until charges are brought and reporting restrictions are lifted. I’m not defending in any way what this excuse for a human did, but the the law is the law. Whether it’s an ass or not is down to your own opinion. But you cannot, absolutely cannot single him out for ‘othering’ because of what he did. If and when he’s charged his identity will be made known. Until then our empathy and thoughts should be with the dead and injured and the families who grieve them.

And the law was changed as a result of that. The law everywhere else in Europe is that 12 is the age of criminal responsibility. Here it remains at 10. Because Michael Howard decided to try them as adults doesn’t make it right. They were children at the time. Absolutely not defending them in any way before I’m flamed, it was a terrible crime. My point is that you can’t chop and change because of public opinion. The law is the law, and it should apply to everyone regardless of what they are accused of. Anything else risks mob rule.

Last time I looked, Scotland was still part of the UK

We're not in Scotland either

And ?

The Office for National Statistics aren't politicians. They are scientists.

If I look at a pig and say, 'that's a pig' and then the government say to me, 'no we have declared-in law-that all pigs are now cows. We will now treat pigs as cows and try to milk them.'

I can't stop the government defining a pig as a cow. I can't stop them treating the pig as a cow but I don't have to believe it myself..

I look at a 17 year old man who has murdered children and I see a man, a strong man, a devious man, a dangerous man. The government may come along and say, 'he's a child' and he will be treated as such in law.

I can't stop the government defining him as a child and treating him as a child but I will not deny the plain truth-he is a man.

He has acted like a man, a dangerous man, he has the strength of a man. He is a man.

What are the stats on fatal attacks on multiple children as this must feature quite highly given its horrific nature

That’s why your posts come across as they do

But the brain isn’t fully developed until mid to late 20s the decision making part is the last part to develop. Are you saying a 23 year old shouldn’t be tried as an adult.