Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

On face value it appears to be an incel hate crime against girls & women. It is very important that the Taylor inspired workshop is reported.

People on TwiX were spreading an inaccurate Arabic name, with the implication of Islam, and claiming that this guy was an immigrant. They were doing this to try to whip up racial and religious hatred with the usual "Muslim Arabic foreigners like hurting British girls" narrative.

The police reiterating that he was born in Cardiff to parents from a Christian-majority country was to debunk that.

The law is an ass. 16 year olds can still get married in Scotland without parental consent. Are their brains more developed than their counterparts in England and Wales?
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership-s/getting-married-s/

100%. As they keep reporting he is a "child" or "minor" this murderers parenting & homelife is very relevant.

You are still speculating though when making statements of certainty

You don’t know

No-one is suggesting that sympathies should be more with the attacker than the victims.

What always seems to happen with these threads is that if you try to suggest that the attacker is entitled to a fair trial and it's not a good idea to try to prejudice it, people take that in itself as some sort of sign of sympathy. Whereas the reality is that people want to ensure that he gets a fair trial so that, if guilty, he does not get released because some online idiot has messed things up and rendered a fair trial impossible.

They are publishing name and photo of one of the poor little girls now.

Beautiful little angel. Rest in peace Alice💔

In Sudan 10 year olds can get married

Are 10 year olds adults?

That’s actually being sold in to slavery. Let’s not pretend it’s a marriage, it’s slavery and rape.

Ah so just making lazy assumptions and presenting them as facts.

Possibly because they did not want the mass riots that occurred in Dublin when a similar thing happened fairly recently to children in a knife attack outside a primary school there. Although in that case thankfully no child was killed

”The incident led to rioting that resulted in the biggest deployment of public order police in the history of the Irish state.”

Which reflects how unsurprisingly strongly people feel about such issues.

I have not heard where his family were from. Have they announced that? I did read a place mentioned earlier in this thread, in I think it was the Telegraph but seems to have disappeared.

They seem to be controlling this very tightly, perhaps some think it is about what they are not saying.

why say he is male if it encourages hatred of men
why particularly point out he came from and then he was born in Cardiff (even though he had lived in Southport for the vast majority of his life) might that not encourage hatred of the Welsh

of course he has been referred to as a boy and a child, so I suppose the influence of his parents or any groups he might be involved with, any of which have strong beliefs or cultures that might in anyway contribute to this would be of interest. But of course all speculative avenues for investigation, but some of the many things that I am sure will be looked at when looking for motive.

This looking out and repeated stabbing of children almost babies with knives in such a crazed attack is very personal almost primal, he must have been driven by such hatred to do that in front of their little faces. Whatever causes it must be stopped but it is a very particular pattern

what those children and adults attacked, the parents and witnesses have gone through is unthinkable, and the knock on to the wider families. I am just so so sad our society can come to this.

Pointless comment.
We are not in Sudan

The incident in Dublin was only really reported on the night it happened and the focus was on the riots after rather than the stabbings. Interest in that story also seemed to die down very quickly - probably due to the lack of media coverage.

What exactly happened there? Has the full story emerged?

Exactly - the Position here is marriage is legal at 16. British culture would see it at abhorrent for a 10 year old to get married because most right thinking people can see a difference between a prepubescent child and a child over half as old again who has gone through puberty, who has the ability to be independent.

It gives a clear idea of the demographic, I think.

Primary aged girls.

Also agree that they have very few details and are trying to not keep repeating themselves and that they are likely attempting to draw similarities between that and the Ariana Grande concert attack, likely for clicks.

And what I’m saying is, maybe that definition needs to change!

Yeah, the Arabic name being shared isn't even a proper Arabic name, seemingly. It's been made up to sound 'Islamic', as the buffoons would say.

They even claimed the kid had come into the country illegally last year - as if they know a feckin' thing about him!!

Absolute scum, using something so tragic to whip up racial tensions.

Absolutely - people need to be more involved with their kids lives. Too many trying to be the “cool parent” Parents are there to create decent adults, we need to start intervening more where they are not doing their job. Every couple of nights I go through my DSs phone whilst he sleeps. I know where he is. He comes out with us, he has responsibilities round the house. We discuss things round the dinner table - important things, not love island. We encourage him to try out every opportunity he has. He knows right from wrong and the importance of helping people. Yes sometimes he’s on his computer playing with his friends but that’s what he got used to in covid, but I know who he is playing with because I’m interested in him.

Don’t really know, if you Google you will see what is there. It was outside a primary school and I believe a kitchen knife. There is this a few days before Christmas

“A 50-year-old man has been charged with the attempted murder of three children and with causing serious harm to a care worker at Dublin’s Parnell Square last month.”

Apparently all he seemed to say in court through his interpreter was that he was a sick man. Seems fair assessment of anyone who would stab little kiddies.

@EasternStandard
"You are still speculating though when making statements of certainty"

The police said he was born in Cardiff.

The statement was not to do with where the perpetrator was born it was

Race and religion have nothing to do with this case.

Are you suggesting you know his race and religion due to being born in Cardiff?

Is everyone born in the U.K. the same race and religion?

It’s speculation and the pp does not know those facts, no one has the information yet

His parents are from Rwanda, an over 90% Christian country with only 2% Muslims. My statement "Race and religion have nothing to do with this case" should be interpreted in the context of the Arabic-sounding false name circulating on social media. To be utterly clear: people looking to blame Muslims and Arabs for this tragedy should stop.