Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

“Race and religion have nothing to do with this case.”

pray tell how you could possibly know, otherwise just making stuff up

is making stuff up OK for you

Or to quote Sir Keir is it. … one law for them and another for everone else

Yes it is the law and sometimes the law is an ass. Maybe this should be a catalyst to change the law so that a 17 year old old enough to drive is treated as an adult in criminal investigations.

Some of your jury posts I get more although idk if it’s ok to say what the pp did online

But others really do look like minimising how awful this is. This attack on young girls is remarkably unsettling and horrific

We live locally and I can confirm there’s nothing seedy about it at all. There are baby massage classes held there too and all kinds of events during school holidays. The event was well publicised so he would have had no problem finding it.

Make social media companies responsible for the content they publish. It’s their algorithms that push people down rabbit holes of extremism and artificially boost the popularity of hateful posters.

How about boys? In the UK? Has there ever been anything on this scale in the UK, where 6-11 year old girls were stabbed and murdered in a frenzy by a boy? Is there a precedent? The weirdo Incel in Bondi also stabbed babies, children and women. This did not use to happen. Man on man knife violence yes, man or young male adults slaughtering little girls in the UK, in Wales? Naaa, that's pretty unheard of.

Lived in their bedrooms being brainwashed by the dark web? I don’t think so

They think murdering children is a positive thing and then wonder why women and girls don’t want anything to do with them?

No-one knows. And this thread is a perfect example of why the police have asked people not to speculate about it on social media. Surprised this thread is still here to be honest.

We're just dropping in to remind you that this is a current police investigation and as such we will have to remove posts which speculate about the case or those involved. If these posts continue, we will remove the thread.

More information on contempt of court can be found here

Exactly and if you are discussing teen boys then what age did they start listening to this stuff. Inception ideology has become mainstream now. I wonder if the tide will turn.

Why else were the police so vehement about where this suspect was born and where his family were from?

It gives a bit of context as to the type of event where the children were targeted. With very little information it will give an indication of who was targeted.

It could have been a school event, church event, family party, etc.

How are they going to do that when the age of adulthood is 18. Would you have tried Jamie Bulgers’ killers as adults ? Because that’s where we’re headed the minute we go down this road.

Why does that count as vehement and why does it suggest anything?

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet for reiterating what @MaidOfAle and others have been trying to hammer home (and have been attacked for doing so).

@CantDealwithChristmas Yes maybe you're right. I suppose whether what I've heard is true or not it's probably irreversibly made my mind up on something I've always tried to be open to even when I was skeptical...

Female and children's spaces needed to be fully protected with no if's, but's, maybes or wokeness about it.

Although a lot of the speculation is around terrorism which appears not to be the case so it may help defuse those tensions, although it could build them elsewhere.

Possibly to head off any suggestion of him being an immigrant, and sparking trouble ?

It's beyond horrible. This, coming after the crossbow killings, the reflections in the wake of that crime that the week after that it would be someone else whose loved ones were grieving, and the week after that, and that ...

And in the interim we saw sobering reports that VAWG is now a national emergency. 2024 is a terrifying time to be female. We've gone so far backward in the last two decades: at a far more rapid rate than our twentieth-century feminist forerunners could ever have dreamed of making process.

Which is precisely why I don't want this trial prejudiced. I want justice for these families. It's the only thing left this society has to offer them, having failed their daughters so spectacularly in other respects: the basic, fundamental value of being seen and treated as a human being which, if you're a female human being, increasingly feels like too big an ask.

I don't want the hateful male perpetrators of acts like these to get away with it. And I don't believe this is an outcome one single poster on this thread wants to see. My heart breaks for these girls, and on a broader level all women and girls who have to navigate this palpable hatred on a more-or-less daily basis. And we all know this is not an exaggeration.

I want these fuckers held accountable.

Actually, yes I would.

At 16 you can enlist in the army- are. You suggesting the army jace child soldiers?

At 16 you can get married, are you suggesting we have child brides

At 16 you could legally be in a sexual relationship with a 30 year old, aAre you suggesting the law allows paedophillia?

At 17 you can drive a car.

The current government want to lower the voting age to 16.

Same and yes you’re right no one wants the male perpetrator to get off

I’ll take care although I haven’t read the guidelines from below. I have done jury service so know about SM part but not for pre trial

I don’t understand either. I assume that level of hatred is normal for that site but no way am I going to look and find out!

They WERE tried as adults!! It's a rather well known and controversial decision by the then Home Sec Michael Howard in response to the public outcry.

Ten is the age of criminal responsibility. They were 9.

I really can’t be arsed with this nonsense any more - your examples don’t make sense and aren’t relevant to anything I’ve said. The law is there for a reason. You can’t dick about with it based on what kind of crime the suspect has committed. The age of adulthood is 18, so the suspect is a minor, and like it or not he has to be treated according to the law, which is there to protect all suspects irrespective of what they are accused of, until they are charged and a judge lifts reporting regulations. Nothing to do with when they can marry, drive a car or be in a sexual relationship. And by the way, 16 year olds can’t get married. It’s 18.

I’ve seen people say that non of these comments are meant badly that it is just them blowing off steam, in other words boys will be boys. It’s just dismissed as not a real threat and even when attacks like this happen and I understand we don’t yet know the full story but even when we know it was driven by bigoted hatred of girls and women just for existing nothing is done about it.