Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

Is what relevant?

It’s relevant because as others have said it makes it clear that young girls were targeted. I think it also makes it so relatable for parents - I 100% would have booked my 8yo onto something like that, suspect a lot of people would. It’s just so sad 😢

I agree I think the second suggestion you mentioned

Probably wouldn’t have targeted an iron maiden gig with a knife because the fans would have killed him, if he got on stage the singer would have incapacitated him with his microphone stand (European silver medalist fencer).

So yes much easier to target young girls doing yoga if you only have access to a knife. A Taylor Swift event would have been young innocent girls. This evil evil man got a taxi to this specific event for no other reason than he’s an evil fucking cunt who wanted to kill young girls. I hope he is attacked and tortured every day for the rest of his miserable life. There is no excuse, none whatsoever for what he has done.

if you have a gun it’s very different - ie the Bataclan attacks, this is why it’s so important to not have easy access to guns. Yesterday was horrific, imagine if this evil man had had a gun.

And the amount of abusive men she gets on her threads, demanding to know why she doesn’t think circumcision is just as bad and why doesn’t she campaign against that, is also highly eye opening. She deals with them perfectly.

The question as to why this isn’t being treated as terrorism is interesting. The CPS guidelines for terrorism charges are quite wide ranging, I don’t know how the charging process works but is it possible that once the police have more information it could be revised to be considered an act of terrorism?

Glad you took your duty so seriously.

Yes. It was little girls having fun at a holiday activity class. It’s unfathomable that someone could see that and think ‘target’.

In the UK the age of criminal responsibility is 10. Would you have the police shoot them as well ?

I’m sure the police said at the press conference anti terror officers were involved but at the moment they weren’t treating it as an act of terror. I’m guessing that a lone attacker who is remaining silent (I assume) about motive might make this line very difficult

I’m assuming you can tell the difference between a 10 and 17 year old? would you let a 17 year old drive?

I disagree about shooting him though, too easy for him.

Nobody is trying to put a lid on anything. But if we don’t observe the law even handedly we end up with mob rule.

Counter-terrorism police involvement in an investigation does not mean that the incident is terrorism, and they have been involved in many cases that were not e.g. the Nottingham stabbings They are often drawn in following murders or mass killings where the motive is uncertain

https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1818201403715621014

Of course I can. Just making the distinction between the rule of law and doing as we like based on what crime has been committed. He’s a minor and is being treated as such according to the law. Why on earth people have a problem with that I don’t know. Jamie Bulgar’s’ killers weren’t allowed to be named.

I saw a screenshot elsewhere from a popular incel forum where the men who frequent that site are celebrating what happened yesterday, calling it “lifefuel”. I’ll need someone to explain to me why these men are not all on a list somewhere and under some kind of surveillance by the authorities.

I disagree about shooting him though, too easy for him.

And would have made it harder to probe his motivations, what may have influenced him etc. The more knowledge the police etc have about such things, the better they can protect us.

The Hart Space was initially set up for pregnant women and baby classes. There's nothing seedy about it at all like a previous poster has suggested. The owner rents out the space for toddler music classes, holiday clubs, all sorts of events for mainly women (or parents) and children. It's tucked away in a little business park. There are no signs for it. You wouldn't necessarily knew it even existed if you aren't the target audience.

The fact that it is a Taylor Swift yoga and dance workshop is relevant, as it was for primary aged girls. He has deliberately sought out a Taylor Swift themed event for girls aged 6-11.

If a 17 year old is convicted of a serious crime they are likely to be named then, if the judge lifts the order protecting their anonymity.

What??? The Bulger killers were named and tried as adults!

I saw a screenshot elsewhere from a popular incel forum where the men who frequent that site are celebrating what happened yesterday, calling it “lifefuel”. I’ll need someone to explain to me why these men are not all on a list somewhere and under some kind of surveillance by the authorities.

Hopefully they are.
Why such hate sites are allowed to stand I don't know.

Mental health doesn't cause murder. If it did, we'd see more women committing murders. Male entitlement causes murder. Men don't like being told "no" and they reach for weapons and fists and feet to punish.

And who is raising these boys? That's where we need to look. Parents need to start taking responsibility. Too many think it's fine to leave teens to their own devices, literally. Look at all the recent threads on MN regarding poster's reclusive teens, all being told it's perfectly normal/leave them alone etc. Opting out of life and living in your bedroom is not normal or healthy. We should all know what our kids are up to, online or in RL. It's up to us to guide them and instill morals. Maybe punishments for parents who fail to parent would remind parents of their duties.
You can all argue whether he's a man or a boy but the fact is he is a minor who should still be receiving parental guidance.

I’m talking about this particular individual, not other killers.

I’m well aware it can happen at rock events - It was Eagles of Death Metal, now QOTSA. I remember I saw EODM not long before Bataclan, and based on feeling that was a narrow miss when I was at the Manchester Maiden gig a couple of weeks before the Ariana Grande bombing I actually made a comment at that gig about a concern about an attack because I felt the security was so slack. However I digress.

Bataclan was an organised group. Lone wolves for the most part seem to recently target women and children - Ariana Grande, this dance class, women’s maternity hospital. Easy victims, easier than men who may be stronger than the attacker.

This killer chose little girls.

Men have always done this.