Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

You did jury service once so now you’re an expert. We all know the legal process thanks. People are bloody angry and you’re trying to put a lid on that anger.

Agree with you here

I’d prefer 17 year old male

I'm not trying to put a lid on anyone's anger. I'm informing you of the consequences of prejudicing a trial.

By your reasoning, MNHQ are also trying to put a lid on people's anger:

Hi all,
Apologies for removing this thread - we completely understand the instinct to want to talk about something so horrific. Overall, though, it became impossible to moderate as there was just too much speculation.

You did jury service once so now you’re an expert.

Two trials, actually, one of which collapsed because of what looked on the surface like a minor process error.

We all know the legal process thanks.

It's very clear that many people don't.

I think it's to highlight the age range of who attended op, stop being so ridiculous

Of course it would still matter if it wasn't a Taylor swift evenf

Yes, that's what I mean about making misogyny a hate crime. It hadn't occurred to me before I read the thread, so thank you for pointing it out.

They practically are a Doctor of Laws! What would MN do without the input of a former juror?

In her press briefing last night, Chief Constable Serena Kennedy described it as a 'Taylor Swift themed dance class'.

The media has been warned by the police and Govt about how they report this event because the public response has to be managed.

Therefore the media are plating it doubly safe by parroting the way the Chief Constable described it.

They are quoting her statement verbatim in plenty of other aspects of their reporting.

There’s going to be so much evidence. Eye witnesses, camera footage, forensic evidence. The age of the suspect means that they’ll have anonymity. I don’t think there’s any risk to due process because people are talking about this horrific attack online.

I was looking on Google Street View for the area. This poster made me wonder if the venue has something to do with pole dancing. Does anyone local know?

They offer pole dancing fitness classes. the witness whose distressing voicemail message has been doing the rounds on social media, had attended such a class there.

I doubt very much he would have targeted an Iron Maiden event.

Oh I don't know, in Paris at the Bataclan attack they targetted a Queens of the Stone Age concert.

Evil monsters aren't really that discriminating in their targets for hate

I take it you passed your Bar Exams then?

The first victim has be named and photographed. The parents said ..".their princess had been taken by a 'despicable human being.' "

All credit for not being scared to say how they feel.

RIP Alice 💐💐💔💔

And yet the police asked us not to spread rumours...

I know!

Yes, so have I. I don't think explaining would defuse tensions at all!

However I do think that he should be named and tried as an adult, and named at his trial.

if we tried the Bulger killers as adults (which we did) aged 9 and 10 then we can definitely do the same for this man.

Like you?

Trials do collapse because of prejudicial coverage.

Remember Levi's Bellfield.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13905765.amp

www.standard.co.uk/panewsfeeds/bellfield-articles-prejudicial-7848174.html

Sir John Thomas and Mr Justice Tugendhat heard at the start of contempt of court proceedings brought against the two papers by the Attorney General that, as a result of the "totality" of the publicity, the Old Bailey jury was discharged from returning a verdict on that count.

Quite.

And yet the police asked us not to spread rumours

That’s for the racists looking to score points from a tragedy. There’s a reason that the information that has been released pointed out that the suspect is U.K. born.

How are they putting a lid on other peoples anger exactly? This is a discussion forum not a therapist session.

Hibo Wardere is amazing. It's so terrible that she had to fight not only against FGM but also against members of her community who regard her as a traitor. The amount of abuse and threats she gets is something else.

I highly recommend following her on X if you don't already. Utterly inspirational, incredibly brave.

Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

Most people will never come into contact with the criminal justice system. When I served as a juror, a lot of stuff I thought I knew turned out to be myths. I don't claim to be some kind of legal expert, but I do relay on what I learned during jury service. I don't understand why people feel the desire to mock me for doing this.

One of the things we were not allowed to do was go looking on social media for rumours about the case, because we were only allowed to base our verdict on what we were shown in court. If it becomes impossible to get jurors who've not been prejudiced by social media, the trial can't happen.