Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

Why do they say it's not a terror attack? It's a mass stabbing in which three innocent little girls lost their lives.
I'm sick of the media & police calling these "isolated incidents" or "not terror related" or "lone wolf attacks".. It is not good enough.
The leader up showed the murderer actively sought the venue out, took a taxi there (which he refused to pay for) & intentionally targeted little girls enjoying their Taylor Swift summer camp. This mass stabbing was pre meditated & should be treated as an act of terror.

At no point did I describe the perpetrator as a child.

You’re the one who keeps quoting me. And you don’t even disagree. So leave me alone please.

At 17 he will be probably very much physically a man, in term of brain development not an adult, in legal terms he’s under 18 so not an adult but is above the age of criminal responsibility which is 10. It’s very very early days in the investigation and the police will release information as and when they feel it is appropriate and the courts may rule he can be identified, we just don’t know yet and it needs for the legal route to be followed.

He's a murderer.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) defines a child as anyone under the age of 18

This a legally-binding international agreement used in UK case law

That's a lot stronger than inlaw on mumsnet's definition of a child isn't it?

I think because for the legal definition to be terror attack an individual has to be known to be affiliated with a recognised terror group and currently there is no evidence of that

There's certainly no point in speculation at this point.
However, his motivation may not be irrelevant, if he's been in any way influenced by anyone else IRL or online. I'm sure the police will be investigating this in great depth.

Were more involved in the background with him?

Because they want to paint a picture. A bit like every investigative story into something horrific happening somewhere starts with describing it as a tranquil, quiet place and adding some relatable detail to create an emotional connection and the effect of shock in the audience.

It’s a journalistic technique.

Taylor Swift posted this on Instagram today

I don’t understand the focus on the murderer …. Little girls made bracelets to share with family they will never see again, dance moves to show Mummy…and they died in a terrifying horrific way that should stop us all in our tracks. Such overwhelming sadness - and loss

Looking forward to that UN court case about our child soldiers and child labour then. Let me know how it goes.

It's funny how these 'mental health' cases never get the urge to attack a gym full of athletic, capable men and women, isn't it?

So many incels hate the idea of strong women like Taylor Swift empowering girls & women.

Hate seeing girls have a strong female role model.

I'm glad the media is highlighting the fact the mass stabbing took place at a Taylor themed event as it will resonate with most most humans that young, innocent, defenceless little girls were vitcims of a mass stabbing & 3 little girls aged 6, 7 & 9 were brutally murdered.

Why would there be a court case? They're in army training college between 16-18, they're not working as soliders.

We actually had a man doing exactly that here. He killed a random man.

Last time I heard it on the radio it was ‘inspired by the music of TS’ so I wonder if her lawyers have been in touch.

My understanding is that they don’t have to be affiliated with a recognised group, they just have to subscribe to a particular ideology as a motivating factor. To me incels fit this description as they are motivated by an ideology that demonises women and girls.

What they mean is "the IRA and Red Hand Commando and ISIL and Al-Qaeda and groups like that were not involved".

I agree that targeted killings of women and girls should be considered terrorist acts. But right now, they aren't.

No, he's not: he's a murder suspect. As were James Bulger's killers, who also were anonymous until after conviction.

At 17 he’s old enough to make his own decisions and he made the decision to take that taxi purposely to harm little kids. He’s a terrorist and a murderer. Shame the police didn’t shoot him

As @Creepingivy says, he's a murderer, who slaughtered innocent girls and women. 6, 7 and 9 year old girls were murdered in a frenzy by this evil monster.

Legally he may be a minor, lucky for him as he probably won't get the punishment he deserves. That'sshame.

I noticed the TS angle being reported repeatedly too. Tbh, it hadn't occurred to me til this thread that it might have been a relevant factor, i.e. the deliberate targeting of girls and the incel connection. The sooner misogyny is explicitly defined as a hate crime the better imo.

Nope. This male murdered 3 children in a frenzied, pre-meditated mass stabbing. This makes him a murderer based on his evil, murderous actions.