Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

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It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

We do not put young people within the ages of 10-17 in adult prisons (just as well as they are full ). Similarly we don't disclose names unless the judge orders otherwise.

By the time this matter goes to court he'll no doubt be an adult and will be treated as such.

Too many murders are now classified as manslaughter-that's why the figures are manipulated

I'd got it from Liverpool Echo.

It’s no surprise people are horrified when it involves the murder of children in this way

New police statement, won't risk links so C&P from their official site.

Sadly we can confirm that a third child has passed away as a result of injuries sustained in a knife attack in Southport yesterday morning, Monday 29 July.
The nine-year-old girl died in hospital in the early hours of this morning, Tuesday, 30 July.
We can confirm that the children who died yesterday were girls aged six and seven years.
Eight other children suffered stab wounds sustained during the attack, and five of them are in a critical condition.
Two adults are also in a critical condition after being injured during the incident.
Our specialist Family Liaison Officers are providing support to the families at this terrible time.
Yesterday, officers arrested a 17-year-old male from Banks and he remains in police custody.
A name has been shared on social media in connection with the suspect in the incident in Southport. This name is incorrect and we would urge people not to speculate on details of the incident while the investigation is ongoing.
This incident is not currently being treated as terror-related and we are not looking for anyone else in connection with it.
Anyone who witnessed anything, or who has information that could help our investigation can call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
Victim Care officers will be at the Community Support Centre set up at Southport FC from 10am-6pm today to support those affected.
Anyone who has been affected by this incident, can contact our Victim Care Merseyside service for help and support. Our hub of local, trained staff is here to provide free, emotional and practical support tailored to your needs.

"Sadly, murders are on the up-what is on the down is the fact they're not reported and the fact we are no longer shocked by them."

No, you need to look at ONS data.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023#trends-in-homicide

Where did I say you had named him ? You asked if anyone genuinely thinks that 17 is a child. In the eyes of the law it clearly is because 18 is the age at which you attain adulthood. And so anonymity is applied according to the law.

To find the answers we need to clarify the problem and I agree it points to a male issue. I have a daughter and a son. I am not man hating.

None of what he did has resulted in his brain being fully developed. There's a biological reason that he's legally a child at 17. You don't get to subjectively redefine what a man/child is.

For all the posts concerned about the perpetrator and not worrying about murder rates this is the horrifying part

The nine-year-old girl died in hospital in the early hours of this morning, Tuesday, 30 July.
We can confirm that the children who died yesterday were girls aged six and seven years.

Age 6, 7 and 9 year old girls

I've thought this. They keep saying ' children' but the kids there must have been all or mostly girls.

It just makes me think this may be another tale of a male wanting to kill girls/ women. I know they don't want to talk of motives yet, but they also seem to be deliberately not saying out loud this part (girls have been killed) of it. At least not in the BBC news reports I have heard.

The homicide rate has been falling since 2003. Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/latest#trends-in-homicide

I think it's because it's relevant. Girls are likely to be at a TS event, and they were evidently targeted. The media also don't have much to report about this at the moment as so far it's all been said, until more info comes to light they will be on repeat.

They weren’t named until a judge gave permission, and that would have been after they were charged. So he isn’t exempt from anything. The law is the law.

Homicide rates are a combination of murder and manslaughter. Try harder.

What is your problem! What is it that I have said that has upset you?

All I have said is he’s not a child.

Which he isn’t. The law does not say a 17yo is a child. Because that would mean we have child labour and child soldiers in the U.K. A child and a minor are not interchangeable words.

What is the purpose of this conversation? You think he’s a child? Great. I think you’re wrong. Get over it.

I've thought this. They keep saying ' children' but the kids there must have been all or mostly girls.

It just makes me think this may be another tale of a male wanting to kill girls/ women. I know they don't want to talk of motives yet, but they also seem to be deliberately not saying out loud this part (girls have been killed) of it. At least not in the BBC news reports I have heard.

It's in their update at 12:12, which they say is the first time the police confirmed the genders of the victims.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cevwgqz0x41t

Lots of nonsense on Twix about him being a 'migrant' or come over on a boat last year or known to MI6.

The BBC can report that the 17-year-old currently being questioned by the police in connection with the attack in Southport was born in Cardiff and moved to the Southport area in 2013.
His parents are from Rwanda and he has an older brother who was also born in Cardiff.

He can't marry until he's 18, even with parental consent, because the minimum marriage age was raised in 2022.

He can't vote. He can't buy a pint. He can't buy a vape device or a packet of fags. He can't own property, he can't take out a loan.

He's a minor.

My guess would be that they are not officially allowed to say anything until it has been confirmed by the police. The odds are that this class is highly likely to have been made up of almost entirely girls (I'm not stereotyping, I fully agree that boys like Taylor Swift and dance classes too) so from the outset we've known that this is likely to be a crime of male on female violence.

Male violence against women/girls IS a form terrorism in my mind.

Looking at this post I don’t think I’m the one with the problem to be honest. You asked a question, I answered it. As did other posters. Several times. And the age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. That’s the age at which children can be held legally responsible for their criminal actions. The international recommendation is 12, so we could be considered to be harsh in that respect. At 17 the brain is still not fully developed, which is why 17 is still considered to be a minor. At no point did I describe the perpetrator as a child.

I don’t really understand the need for people to speculate or know anything about his background. It’s irrelevant, the only thing he needs to be judged on are his actions yesterday which were abhorrent. Whether he’s a rwandan from Cardiff, came over on a boat last week or from a wealthy family and went to Eton it all goes out of the window and yesterday is what he is judged by

I hope taylor swift has no guilt, all she is responsible for is being the source of happiness and fun for young girls.

However, it is relevant her name is mentioned. This evil boy targeted this event. He targeted an event where young girls are celebrating and enjoying female empowerment. The motivation being the belief that young girls who are having fun and celebrating a successful woman deserve to be murdered, is very very important. Its all I will think about now every time I see a bitter bloke on Instagram, twitter etc mocking Taylor, its that hatred of women, that causes events like this.

Absolutely amazing the number of posters who can’t separate out emotion from fact isn’t it ? And even more who think that pointing out that he is a minor and entitled to anonymity is somehow supporting him or excusing what he did. It’s bonkers.