Joe Biden is out - God bless him

[Mommybunny]

Put the country before himself - yes, finally, but he’s done it.

Please God let my country be ok.

IF JD Vance becomes VP at 39 and inherits the mantle at 43, then he could serve two terms in his own right until he's 51. And he will have to live with and defend that legacy. American politics doesn't let former office holders off the hook.

'All the talk' is because Trump appointed the justices who overturned it (who were specifically selected in part because they were willing to overturn it). The case didn't come before the court until Biden's term because the USC is an appeals court so it takes time for cases to percolate up to them. The cases, which were created and brought specifically for the purpose of changing those laws were only filed once they were confident they had the court they wanted. What are you suggesting Biden could have done?

These two reporters have written a very good book about this, if you're interested in actually understanding what you're talking about.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/magazine/roe-v-wade-christian-network.html

Yet again. Hilary Clinton WON the popular vote.

He CANNOT step down! The 25th Amendment states: In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.”

Its next section reads: “Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.”

A confirmation by a congressional majority is very unlikely, because magats would not vote for whomever Harris’s VP nominee is, so Harris would be without a VP until Jan. 20th, when she is sworn in as president.

But there would be no swearing in, because the sitting president’s VP certifies the election on Jan. 6th. If there is no sitting VP, the speaker of the house does. Who just happens to be Maga Mike Johnson!! And would he certify the election for Harris? My opinion is, HELL NO! Given all of that, no wonder trump and ilk are rabid for Pres. Biden to resign!!

I agree with this. Haven't bothered to google and I've read a lot in the last few days (plus DC birthdays and end of term I don't fully trust my brain at the moment!) but didn't I read that Vance is more of a classic boy done good? Whereas Trump actually inherited a fortune and hasn't really done much with it [relatively speaking].

That's literally not even close to a plausible theory. The state parties still get to decide if the delegates will support her. So far I believe half have already said they would. I don't know a single democrat who feels at all unhappy about the process. To do it any other way would open up far too many pitfalls relating to campaign finance. Only Trump people seem to think any of this is an issue. How surprising.

A. Obama doesn't need to agree.
B. He will endorse her when the moment is right. He and Michelle thanked the Bidens as that was what this moment called for.

Yes, of course it would. His cabinet choices would reflect those feelings and would therefore be anti-science. He has not made any secret of that or even pretended his personal beliefs wouldn't influence how he governs. His entire family has come out urging people to vote against him. He also has a troubling past https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6p27evjz49o.

Not that it matters as he will likely drop out shortly and has been angling for a cabinet post in a Trump white house.

JD Vance was an inspired choice of running mate for Trump though:

Not really. Vance was a cocky choice. Trump already has the MAGAs. He needs the swing voters, the independents, the 'double haters' as Sarah Longwell (the pollster) calls them, and Vance is extremely unpopular with them. All he does is cement the voters Trump already has. I think the pairing of the choosing of Vance with the elevation of Harris really throws things open.

JD Vance is bat shit crazy and very clever with it. He’s a dangerous man.

It's pretty depressing seeing on the news Americans being interviewed about who they think will win, and hearing one man say 'Trump is the only one who can unite the country' 🤔

Well said.

Here let me help out 😉
THREE MILION more Americans voted for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump

Again, well said!

The democrats have had decades to permanently resolve this issue.

I suppose we shall see. Obama still has infinite sway and Biden would have never been on the ticket in the first place without his agreement and support.

Biden also made some comments that are sure to rile Obama. “Name me a better president on national security.”

Yebbut USA doesn't have proportional representation so the 3m extra votes don't count

Presidents have never been elected by the popular vote so I don't know why people always bring it up.

If they were, a President could be elected by the people of only the 8 most populated states. There'd be no point in campaigning, or doing anything for, the people in the least populated states at all.

The United States wouldn't be united for very long.

The bigger question is why do the Democrats pile up votes in California and the Northeastern states but not appeal very much to the people in "flyover country" in the middle?

Donald Trump received the second largest ever amount of votes in the election last time. Trump gained 11 million more votes in 2020 from 2016 that considerably more than Hilary Clinton did in 2016 (around 8 million more)

these are staggering high numbers

How many who voted for Biden will now vote for who shall be running next

How many voters has Trump lost since last time

It isn’t known

Trumps popularity grew while he was president and according to many polls hasn’t wavered

the Democrats have really fucked up

You would think both parties would have things worked out many years in advance. But it seems not.

It's much the same here in the UK - cities full of multicultural voters are more likely to elect Labour politicians while the shires and rural areas are often Conservative.

The United States is not 50 states with homogeneous residents. Maybe a female president is still too progressive for the swing state voters. Or maybe she can tap into something and get enough new voters in those states to turn out for her that she can win them.

The Pew research I posted upthread said that white voters are far more likely to consistently turn out to vote than non white voters. Maybe a non white woman can capture the votes of black, Indian, Chinese and Hispanic voters who don't often vote. The US wasn't ready for a female President when Hilary ran but maybe a non white woman can defeat Trump. Get Stacy Abrams on the case drumming up minority voters in Georgia!

Well, I will have to make that decision. I am going to run out of a candidate to vote for soon. As for his family, if I truly respected any of them, I'd be more inclined to listen to them.
For me, it's another election, this time, of the "least of all weevils".

What I wouldn't give for a Presidential election where I cannot decide who to vote for because they all would be an asset to the country. Alas, probably not going to happen in my lifetime.

Yes, of course you should vote your conscience. I was just making the point that his stance on vaccines will have an effect on how he runs the country. There's no scenario in which he wins, so it's really down to which candidate you think he's most likely to take a vote from, assuming he's still in the race.

Yes, but when people say, how could the US have voted Trump in, it's worth reminding them that the majority of the population didn't.

I suspect Obama would agree that Biden is better on national security. When I've listened to long form Obama interviews, I've never heard him be overly defensive or unable to admit to his weaknesses.

@DowntownFoxyBrown

The democrats have had decades to permanently resolve this issue.

Again, I would suggest you pick up the book I mentioned above, or at least read some of the reporting by the two reporters. You might gain some better understanding on the topic.