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Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired

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WinterMorn · 13/07/2024 23:26

Looks like some sort of injury to Trump, likely superficial.

Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired
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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 14/07/2024 01:45

5475878237NC · 14/07/2024 01:38

I find it ironic that the person who incited violence that led to someone's death in the January riots is now going to be reveered for surviving this. Everyone condemns violence against politicians except for him...and he's now the victim.

I totally agree that Trump has contributed to a much more violent political culture in the US. He must take his own share of the responsibility for this, and his supporters must take theirs.

But two wrongs never make a right. Regardless of what Trump has done in the play, what happened tonight was utterly wrong.

ReadyTeddy1000 · 14/07/2024 01:47

I can see why people initially thought it was a setup, esp the way he hits his ear but doesn't grab or hold it, as you tend to do when in pain. And the way that people half heartedly duck but then get back up and cheer, without knowing if there are multiple shooters.

What a horrible thing to happen, and it's utterly tragic that two people are dead as a result

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/07/2024 01:49

1dayatatime · 14/07/2024 00:35

I think it is telling that when Jo Cox was murdered by a right wing extremist then this was rightly condemned across the political spectrum and by all civilised people.

However when a right wing politician such as Donald Trump is shot at then there have been several posters on this thread suggesting it was a set up and I suspect that there are many on the left who would be secretly relieved if he was assassinated.

It is becoming steadily evident that the left wing presents a greater danger to social order, democracy and personal liberty than the right wing ever will.

Say it louder for those at the back.

JimmyGrimble · 14/07/2024 01:50

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/07/2024 01:49

Say it louder for those at the back.

Why? It’s still bollocks

bananacreampie · 14/07/2024 01:51

MaryEllenWaldron · 14/07/2024 01:25

What's your source?

I told her. It's in all the news updates.

LunaNorth · 14/07/2024 02:01

1dayatatime · 14/07/2024 00:35

I think it is telling that when Jo Cox was murdered by a right wing extremist then this was rightly condemned across the political spectrum and by all civilised people.

However when a right wing politician such as Donald Trump is shot at then there have been several posters on this thread suggesting it was a set up and I suspect that there are many on the left who would be secretly relieved if he was assassinated.

It is becoming steadily evident that the left wing presents a greater danger to social order, democracy and personal liberty than the right wing ever will.

I think it’s more that he’s a misogynistic, pro-life, pro-gun, Putin-ass-kissing, violent, anti-democratic, convicted felon and rapist than a right winger that makes him hard to sympathise with.

None of which could be levelled at Jo Cox. You’re comparing apples and orange twats.

lemmein · 14/07/2024 02:01

https://x.com/aghamilton29/status/1812267732769075566?s=46

Horrifying Sad

ReadyTeddy1000 · 14/07/2024 02:06

BBC saying two dead, including the shooter, and two in critical condition.

Omlettes · 14/07/2024 02:07

Biggleslefae · 14/07/2024 01:36

Amazing how his immediate impulse was elation!
Amazing the way he was instantly in full on victorious mode!

Its unheard of for him to show physical courage.

DawsonsFreak · 14/07/2024 02:11

WalkingaroundJardine · 14/07/2024 01:43

Trump has appointed two other SC judges who are similarly conservative and together with Clarence they are able to attain majority votes in a way that favours him. Clarence was always very conservative and so is his wife.

As I understand it presidents appoint SC judges when one of them dies of old age and the president who has the luck of a number of deaths on their watch can shape it to reinforce their agenda, even after the president has been voted out. If the particular president has a radical agenda this means checks and balances of democracy will be quite limited in scope.

You said Clarance Thomas is Trump appointed. He isn’t.

Every president will appoint judges who reflect their political values (not just in the Supreme Court, but across the judiciary). That’s one aspect of American politics I can’t agree with, separation of legislature and judiciary is (to me) sacrosanct. But it’s part and parcel of the political system there and it’s not a foul move to do exactly what your democratic counterpart would do.

As to Trump getting his SC picks. Well you can put some of the blame for that on Ruth Bader Ginsburg who refused Barack Obama’s request that she retire (SC judges can retire, they don’t need to die on the job, even though they are lifetime appointments). He asked her to go so he could make an appointment of her replacement while he was still in office and ensure a democratic majority going forward, irrespective of who held the presidency . She refused because she wanted to be a judge during the presidency of Hilary Clinton. Obama was also blocked by the Republicans and a wicked but successful move by Mitch McConnell, leader of the senate, that saw the senate refusing to hold the requisite hearings to appoint the democratic pick during Obama’s final year and an election cycle( the name escapes me at the moment of Obama’s nominee, but the fellow is the current Attorney General). So that’s two SC judges Obama missed out on because he was out manoeuvred by both his own side and the other side.

When Trump became president, he got the empty SC seat Obama wasn’t able to fill and within a year RBG died, so he filled her seat too. And he also persuaded another elderly sitting republican SC judge to retire, so he actually appointed 3 young judges and sewed up a republican majority for years to come. I don’t like it, but he did nothing illegal and certainly nothing the democrats wouldn’t have done given half the chance.

HelenaWaiting · 14/07/2024 02:34

1dayatatime · 14/07/2024 00:35

I think it is telling that when Jo Cox was murdered by a right wing extremist then this was rightly condemned across the political spectrum and by all civilised people.

However when a right wing politician such as Donald Trump is shot at then there have been several posters on this thread suggesting it was a set up and I suspect that there are many on the left who would be secretly relieved if he was assassinated.

It is becoming steadily evident that the left wing presents a greater danger to social order, democracy and personal liberty than the right wing ever will.

I've read some awful comments and off-colour jokes about this incident and done a fair bit of sighing, but this attempt to make political capital out of it is grim.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/07/2024 02:45

JimmyGrimble · 14/07/2024 01:50

Why? It’s still bollocks

So is your opinion.But we are all entitled to our opinions.

emgee2 · 14/07/2024 02:49

DawsonsFreak · 14/07/2024 02:11

You said Clarance Thomas is Trump appointed. He isn’t.

Every president will appoint judges who reflect their political values (not just in the Supreme Court, but across the judiciary). That’s one aspect of American politics I can’t agree with, separation of legislature and judiciary is (to me) sacrosanct. But it’s part and parcel of the political system there and it’s not a foul move to do exactly what your democratic counterpart would do.

As to Trump getting his SC picks. Well you can put some of the blame for that on Ruth Bader Ginsburg who refused Barack Obama’s request that she retire (SC judges can retire, they don’t need to die on the job, even though they are lifetime appointments). He asked her to go so he could make an appointment of her replacement while he was still in office and ensure a democratic majority going forward, irrespective of who held the presidency . She refused because she wanted to be a judge during the presidency of Hilary Clinton. Obama was also blocked by the Republicans and a wicked but successful move by Mitch McConnell, leader of the senate, that saw the senate refusing to hold the requisite hearings to appoint the democratic pick during Obama’s final year and an election cycle( the name escapes me at the moment of Obama’s nominee, but the fellow is the current Attorney General). So that’s two SC judges Obama missed out on because he was out manoeuvred by both his own side and the other side.

When Trump became president, he got the empty SC seat Obama wasn’t able to fill and within a year RBG died, so he filled her seat too. And he also persuaded another elderly sitting republican SC judge to retire, so he actually appointed 3 young judges and sewed up a republican majority for years to come. I don’t like it, but he did nothing illegal and certainly nothing the democrats wouldn’t have done given half the chance.

That's not exactly how things happened.

This is a bit of an explainer (Brookings is a centre right think tank)

www.brookings.edu/articles/mcconnells-fabricated-history-to-justify-a-2020-supreme-court-vote/

And there's this:

The Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett confirmations were enabled by a rule change made by Senate Republicans in 2017, which applied the so-called nuclear option to Supreme Court nominees and allowed nominations to be advanced by a simple majority vote rather than the historical norm of a three-fifths supermajority vote.

LadyPenelope68 · 14/07/2024 02:51

PR stunt

Cnon · 14/07/2024 02:52

BruceWillissDribble · 14/07/2024 00:16

Who's died anyway? The shooter or someone innocent?

Per the AP, the shooter and an attendee.

WalkingaroundJardine · 14/07/2024 03:05

DawsonsFreak · 14/07/2024 02:11

You said Clarance Thomas is Trump appointed. He isn’t.

Every president will appoint judges who reflect their political values (not just in the Supreme Court, but across the judiciary). That’s one aspect of American politics I can’t agree with, separation of legislature and judiciary is (to me) sacrosanct. But it’s part and parcel of the political system there and it’s not a foul move to do exactly what your democratic counterpart would do.

As to Trump getting his SC picks. Well you can put some of the blame for that on Ruth Bader Ginsburg who refused Barack Obama’s request that she retire (SC judges can retire, they don’t need to die on the job, even though they are lifetime appointments). He asked her to go so he could make an appointment of her replacement while he was still in office and ensure a democratic majority going forward, irrespective of who held the presidency . She refused because she wanted to be a judge during the presidency of Hilary Clinton. Obama was also blocked by the Republicans and a wicked but successful move by Mitch McConnell, leader of the senate, that saw the senate refusing to hold the requisite hearings to appoint the democratic pick during Obama’s final year and an election cycle( the name escapes me at the moment of Obama’s nominee, but the fellow is the current Attorney General). So that’s two SC judges Obama missed out on because he was out manoeuvred by both his own side and the other side.

When Trump became president, he got the empty SC seat Obama wasn’t able to fill and within a year RBG died, so he filled her seat too. And he also persuaded another elderly sitting republican SC judge to retire, so he actually appointed 3 young judges and sewed up a republican majority for years to come. I don’t like it, but he did nothing illegal and certainly nothing the democrats wouldn’t have done given half the chance.

In the interesting link posted by @emgee2 it looks as if judges timing resignations for political expediency was not usual or common. Most judges did resign on death or health grounds and this was fine in a more stable environment.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg probably also did not foresee that a future Supreme Court would co-opt a more radical government even after it had been voted out.

Project 2025 looks to embed Republican sympathetic officials into all levels of government, again making democratic elections less relevant to bringing about change.

Uselesssil · 14/07/2024 03:09

@Catmoobs There a number of posters on this thread that have said disgraceful things, but you are the worst. Dementia is a terrible disease, but do you want to know what is worse…..allowing someone with it to run for the position of the most powerful person on the planet.

Trump may be an idiot, but he runs rings round Biden, who can’t tell the difference between Zelenskyy and Putin and thinks Harris is Vice President Trump! The Democrats deserve to lose this election.

Telephonewiresabove · 14/07/2024 03:22

I never want to read another thread on mumsnet opining on the stupidity and gullibility of people on the right after reading some of the frankly insane comments on this thread.

bananacreampie · 14/07/2024 03:28

Telephonewiresabove · 14/07/2024 03:22

I never want to read another thread on mumsnet opining on the stupidity and gullibility of people on the right after reading some of the frankly insane comments on this thread.

Good to know.

InWalksBarberalla · 14/07/2024 03:32

Emergency room doctor talking about the poor guy in the crowd who was killed - twitter link
https://x.com/kangminjlee/status/1812274687969530195

x.com

https://x.com/kangminjlee/status/1812274687969530195

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 03:33

Telephonewiresabove · 14/07/2024 03:22

I never want to read another thread on mumsnet opining on the stupidity and gullibility of people on the right after reading some of the frankly insane comments on this thread.

Can’t unsee it, can we? The most intelligent people I know see both sides realistically and recognize the insanity of it. Unfortunately they are few…

Mumtobabyhavoc · 14/07/2024 03:42

Gov Mike Huckabee said he believes God spared Trump so he can lead their nation...

CanadianJohn · 14/07/2024 03:52

I'm surprised a sniper was allowed to set up as closed as 200 yrds, That said, the shooter was either incredibly unlucky (from his point of view) or made a poor choice of target. Heads are hard to hit, a body shot is more likely to be successful.

Either way, I would like to recommend this hymn to all Americans tonight

Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee!
E’en though it be a cross that raiseth me,

2021x · 14/07/2024 04:02

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/07/2024 01:49

Say it louder for those at the back.

It is not unreasonable for people to be initially sceptical considering he is a showman, proven liar, and a convicted felon- none of which Jo Cox was. This isn’t about right vs left , it about Trump.

sashh · 14/07/2024 04:02

Watched on TV, there was a woman facing the camera as Trump's car sped off with her arm in the air shouting, "USA, USA" I have no idea what that was about.

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