Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired

[WinterMorn]

Looks like some sort of injury to Trump, likely superficial.

Thank you. It’s such an awful thing to read.

I think there is a gleeful component that completely lacks empathy for anyone who thinks we deserve the mess we have now and enjoys watching it.

wow, watch the news. Read the reports.
Deluded, much?

The conspiracy theory idiots are doing my head in, people are dead and injured for gods sake.

Biden speaking now.

I posted recently on another thread about an incident I was involved in, in a US Mall 7 years ago, where there was absolute terror/mayhem after hearing about 12 “pops” of “gunshots”…there was a stampede, shops were locking down their shutters and people were running under the shutters as they were closing or throwing their kids through to get them to safety, people were injured in the stampede and someone had a heart attack. It wasn’t a gun, it was some idiot letting off firecrackers in the busiest part of the mall to deliberately scare people. I can see why the supporters might have assumed the same. They do sound similar.

Oh go away, you idiot.

Agreed.

You don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that a) this is very clearly real and b) a terrible thing for politics.

Trump does not need that. Not that your thick comment makes sense but he was walking the election already. Now is even more certain he will comeback as president.

The rally attendees I've saw being interviewed have said they thought it was fireworks or firecrackers, none of them thought it was gunfire.

I imagine the majority of people in America are just very, very frightened by this. America needs an intervention - third party involvement, mediation of some sort to bring peace and stability.

That sounds terrifying. Took me years to get used to duck hunting season on the river near me.

I think we (including ordinary, non gun toting Americans) are so used to hearing gunfire in film and TV that we expect it to sound a certain way. A gun fired in a big outdoor space will sound totally different to a gun shot in close quarters indoors. And different calibre guns sound different I believe. And the enhanced/dramatic sounds portrayed in fiction aren’t what you will hear in real life.

Just fuck right off with this crap and stop trying to use Jo Cox's death for your own political point-making. It's shameful that you would stoop that low.

Yes, people from all sides of the political spectrum condemned the murder of Jo Cox, and rightly so. People from across the political spectrum also condemned the murder of David Amess, which you conveniently seem to have forgotten. It has fuck all to do with left and right, so stop trying to pretend that it does.

I have already condemned the attack on Donald Trump and I have been very clear that I don't think there is ever a place for violence in politics. Many other people on the left have condemned it as well, in no uncertain terms. What happened tonight was despicable. This should be something that goes without saying.

But unlike Jo Cox and David Amess, who were both simply trying to do their jobs, Trump is not a politician who plays by the normal rules. He claimed that the election was "stolen" from him. He encouraged the Capitol riots in which several people died. He has claimed that the various criminal charges that he is facing are part of a political conspiracy against him. He has actively contributed to the toxic state of US politics right now. It is therefore hardly surprising that people might wonder if this is a set-up - not because he is right wing, because that is totally irrelevant, but because his character and track record make plausible that he might do such a thing if he thought it would boost his campaign.

To be clear, I do not personally think that this was a set-up - I absolutely believe that the assassination attempt was genuine and I condemn it wholeheartedly. But I can see how people's minds might go there.

Some poor soul has died 😢

Maybe the posters at the beginning of the thread didn't see the footage before posting, and I totally get people being suspicious of anything Trump - but no way was that set up, not a chance. You can hear them say 'shooter down' before he got up; when he held his fist in the air he knew the threat was over (assuming no second shooter of course!) He looks really shook up and disorientated.

Really terrifying scenes - there's no way I'd sit anywhere near a president/candidate in the US!

This is appalling. I'm v glad he wasn't killed, especially because if he had been, I really fear there would have been violent reprisals by some Trump supporters, who adore him
( been reading some of the comments from Americans in Twitter ). American politics are already so polarised and bitter, this is the last thing the country needs.

It’s so sad that we have become so politically tribal, and that we are willing to say such horrible things about people on the other side of the political spectrum.

We desperately need to start listening to each other and trying to understand, not just writing people off as racist, fascist or evil because we don’t agree.

This shooting has happened because people feel emboldened in their position, that they hold some moral high ground, and their words or actions are justified.

And the result? Innocent lives lost. Regular people attending a rally killed instantly, by someone (if X is correct) who called themselves anti fascist.

If we continue down this far left, far right rhetoric and road, then we are all fucked, because it’s a boiling pot and nothing good is going to come of that. I sense it here too.

The fact that bullet appears to have come incredibly close to Trumps head as he turned it surely means it can’t be a set up as that timing would be incredibly hard to orchestrate?

Inciting an insurrection is not a Spoonerism. Are you seriously unaware of the attack on the Capitol building on January 6 2021 by Trump supporters?

Surely you have a line or standards somewhere for your own leader though? Refusing to accept national election results conducted by proper officials, calling a mob and actual criminal conviction?

So let’s say the Dems get voted out, which looks likely ,are you all going to start applying normal standards again or will there be the constant “But Biden..,” and using Trump appointed Supreme Court judges like Clarence Thomas to protect him? Thomas receives undeclared financial gifts himself from Billionaire donors, which I find incredible.

Assuming you are American I feel very sad for you all. Even if Trump wins, which looks likely, the polarisation is not going to stop. To the rest of us, it’s like watching your parents fight. Russia and China will absolutely be loving it.

Soon enough we will know who the dead shooter was.

Nobody thinks it was set up apart from complete whack jobs

Nancy Pelosi put out a heartfelt statement supporting Trump and condemning the attack on him, as she Is a fellow victim of political violence herself (her poor husband is still recovering from that horrific hammer attack at their home, intended for her)

What's your source?

As a US citizen in the UK for the summer, it's scary to imagine what I'll be coming back to in the US if the right thinks that the left has attempted to assassinate Trump. Will there be retribution?

Having glanced at the previous comments, and acknowledging that all we're doing is wildly speculating, it is reasonable to assume the crowd was freezing in response to the sound of gunfire. It is a bit absurd to say the crowd was unbothered by the prospect of possibly being shot at close range. However, it is reasonable to argue that gun violence is a normal occurrence in America.

I can somewhat speak to the regularity of gun violence as a former director of programming at a non-profit. Unfortunately, in the ghetto, gun violence has always been present and is not a new phenomenon. I witnessed two shootings near the children we worked with on the street of this non-profit in just a year's span before I left for law school.

I also remember one of my coworkers laughing in awe over how one time a parent of one of our children had sat out on a nearby doorstep to watch two people shoot at one another from a distance.

Now with the spike in random gun violence, even children in middle class and affluent area are typically trained on how to react to shootings

Gun violence has become almost cartoonishly common and Americans do sometimes treat it with more nonchalance than they should (for a historical analogy, look at Vera Brittain's book where she describes how some British people would go out on their roofs to watch the bombs drop during WWI).

That’s the election won for him

I sincerely hope not