There should be the death penalty for Karl Clifford and those like him

[HermioneWeasley]

There is no doubt he did it. No case of mistaken identity. He’s taken 3 lives. He should be executed.

No.

For petty criminals they are. I know of a lot of criminals who are not bothered about going to prison and constantly commit offences as soon as they are out because it’s not as bad as we think it is.

Yes I’m sure there has been a lot of support to some of these women but some just don’t give a crap and continue to get pregnant.

I never understood why more wasn’t done about that yet there was rioting over mark duggan

Nope but it keeps the bills down housing and feeding these animals.

But we’re not talking about a petty criminal here

That’s not what I said or what I mean and you know it 🙄

Do people realise how much a whole life tariff costs?

No it doesn’t.

Do you know how much capital punishment costs?

No. But he should stay in prison for the rest of his life until he's brought out in a box

No. He'll be escaping punishment when he's dead.

That is literally what you're suggesting.

I'm just saying prisons aren’t what everyone thinks they are.

I could never condone the death penalty. For anyone.

Ok. If you read what I said that’s not but ok. Not even going to argue.

The trouble is, no matter how much he might deserve it, it’s a can of worms bringing the death penalty in. I don’t disagree though that some people don’t deserve oxygen.

I did read what you said.

You want the state to make legislation on our fertility based on their definition of being a bad parent.

Totally get why you're backing out of your viewpoint now you've had a little time to see how dangerous it would be.

Really? In general no but Ian Huntley? Wouldn't be a sad day for me.

I don't think op is looking to prevent other murderers, so much as to punish this one.

That’s because for petty criminals, prisons are there for rehabilitation as much as punishment.

Rehabilitation fails due to a huge number of things; lack of support in the outside world, lack of secure housing or employment after release, boys who have grown up in the care system who just become “used” to the prison system. They swap one institution for another and with a lack of support system in the outside world, are likely to reoffend.

Prison is not only there to punish, but to rehabilitate offenders so that they can hopefully go on to be reformed and contribute towards society. It doesn’t work right now because reform in the system is needed.

For cases like this one, where rehabilitation is unlikely or the crime is so severe that the prisoner will always be a risk, a whole life tariff and the lack of freedom that comes with is justice enough.

It would mess with extradition of other criminals etc - lots of other countries straight up won't extradite to countries with the death penalty. So you would see other bad people getting away scott free for their crimes if they are Dutch they do anyway but that's not the point of this thread. Plus when you look into the logistics of the death penalty you do see how it sort of damages the soul** of those involved, even if the person being executed is truly evil. Someone has to pass the judgement, someone has to be involved in providing the lethal injection/method of the execution, a whole array of support staff are involved in the logistics. They even have volunteers in Texas who come to witness the executions because someone has to. The whole thing feels somewhat unhealthy. There are some people who really shouldn't be released from prison though.

**That isn't the right description but I don't know how to phrase it exactly.

For the umpteenth time, it doesn’t keep the bills down one iota.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Executing him is the easy way out. Suffering in prison is worse.

Legalised murder, it’s not something that I can condone.
Makes us as bad as them.

What did you mean then?