There should be the death penalty for Karl Clifford and those like him

[HermioneWeasley]

There is no doubt he did it. No case of mistaken identity. He’s taken 3 lives. He should be executed.

Because it proves the point that mistakes happen and the wrong person could end up being killed by the state. If the op had his/her way, the wrong person would be swinging from a gibbet by now
How difficult is that to understand?

I do understand your sentiments. I think the death penalty should be reinstated for cases where it's obvious who the murderer is. A good example is one of Lee Rigby's killers (may he RIP). He was on camera, bloodied, holding a meat cleaver and outright confessed with a dozen eyewitnesses nearby saying he did it and the bystanders saw it happen. It will never happen because the justice system in this country is not stable enough to not mistakenly execute an innocent person.

@Rainbowsponge I’m not being absurd in the slightest. Have a quick look at the upcoming US election and the likely winner and then come back to me with your comments about unilateral power.

This is a very important thing you have said. Men who are happy with trying to kill themselves snd threaten this to the women in their lives are telling them as clear as day they are dangerous and can hurt them. Feeling sorry for a man in these circumstances is a mistake. Call the police and get out.

Wow you are literally taking this literal. Obviously the people who would be the ones who decide the fate of a person would be a professional and know their stuff. As I said if there is 110% concrete evidence that a certain person has committed the crime then I feel as though capital punishment should be considered.

But you weren’t just talking about capital punishment, were you? You were advocating for mass sterilisation.

Plus a spelling mistake is definitely a lot minor that killing an innocent man for a crime he hasn’t committed 🙄🤦🏼‍♀️

I don't agree with capital punishment but I think in these cases the best thing that can happen is that the police need to use lethal force, perhaps more readily than currently

You don't agree with capital punishment after a full investigation, trial and jury decision, but you do agree with police being more trigger happy?

Well no he'll likely get he's own cell, a playstation and in cell phone tv, a weekly allowance and protection like lucy letby rose west etc

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I do not support the death penalty under any circumstances. I can see how some might deserve it, but nobody should have that power, including the state.

Prisons are absolutely not safe.

Yes, you may get an hour in the exercise yard if you’re lucky, but the rest of the time you are inside. No amount of TV’s or PlayStations would make up for the fact that for 23 hours a day, you have no freedom. You can’t pop and see your family and friends, you can’t walk to the shop, you can’t go and sit out in your garden. It’s the loss of freedom that is the hardest to bear; knowing you will never be free again.

My house is quite nice, several rooms, lots of tech, some gym equipment etc. If someone locked the door though and told me I could never leave again until the day I died I think I’d go quite mad.

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society

Thank you - noted. I don’t have a problem admitting a spelling or grammatical error.

I’d much rather they were given whole life prison terms, with no possibility of parole. Preferably in places where they spend 23 hours a day in their cells.

Also it goes the other way and juries are often less likely to convict - the test will move from beyond reasonable doubt to beyond all doubt in their minds - knowing that the defendant will be executed based on their decision. They’ll scrabble around looking for any doubt on cases where they may otherwise have convicted.

He can go down any route he likes as long as the outcome is him being locked up for the rest of his life.

Aargh please ignore- I misread this!

Well, you’ve just identified him incorrectly, yourself, so that’s hardly a great argument.

For the women who abuse their children who are unfit mothers and have been proven extreme neglect yes. The women who also have baby after baby knowing they aren’t allowed to keep them. I think it’s cruel for the child to be put into the care system because the mother keeps getting pregnant.

I couldn't agree with a death sentence but a man like this has no place in society.

I hope he gets locked up for the rest of his life. Perhaps he'll do everyone a favour and take his own life instead. I suspect if he was going to do that though he'd have done it already.

Maybe we could support those women to be adequate parents instead?

No. Hard disagree. The death penalty is barbaric.
The culprit of this horrific attack should be locked up for life.

If rumours/reports are correct he had tried to hand himself in the cemetery where he was found.

You think the state should have control of our fertility?

That's a pretty shocking viewpoint.