There should be the death penalty for Karl Clifford and those like him

[HermioneWeasley]

There is no doubt he did it. No case of mistaken identity. He’s taken 3 lives. He should be executed.

This makes no sense. Women equally have low educational attainment but don’t turn to crime in similar numbers.

Committing crime is down to somebody’s morality - that’s it.

I get why some people support the death penalty - but for me there will never be a reason for me where it is acceptable for the state to murder its citizens.

Ever.

Same man? https://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/crime/aylesbury-man-admits-to-causing-a-public-nuisance-after-sexually-harassing-women-on-wendover-canal-4105158

Sarah Everard’s killer was also known to expose himself prior to killing. It’s a pattern police should be learning from.

Yes, the biggest predictor for criminality is being a man. However, across both, deprived people are more likely to commit crimes. I believe (from a module on criminology I did about 100 years ago as part of my undergrad so I'm fuzzy on details) that criminals often have an underdeveloped sense of risk an overdeveloped perception of reward as well- testosterone is definitely going to contribute to that. They rarely believe they are going to get caught, but the less you have to lose, the more likely you are to risk it, I suppose.

Money makes a difference to whether you "need" to commit crimes. I don't just mean in the sense of needing to steal to buy bread for your starving family. But also, in terms of whether you need to steal to pay for your drug habit or you have a really high salary /trust fund/music royalties that will at the very least delay reaching that point. Or people on low incomes that do horrible stuff like kill cats for fun and eventually get caught (hopefully) . Versus the very wealthy who fly to Africa and pay to kill big cats for fun. Same psychopathic/sadistic tenancies in my opinion. But one has the resources to do it legally.

There's very little in today's world that makes you persona non grata. Prison, domestic violence, drink-driving ... almost nothing, it seems that someone can't bounce back from.
Within the next twenty years Huw Edwards will appear in the media - probably as a morality tale to show his fall from grace - but I'm sure we'll see him again.

Far worse punishment to live a long long life in prison

I believe he is paralysed from the waist down too after shooting himself too. Shame he can't feel much pain!

Exactly the drudgery of prison life and not getting to do what we take for granted for example, going to a beach, walking on grass, smelling flowers, freedom of choice, decent food etc.
He's going to get full life tariff for murdering three women and I hope he lives a long life and see's out many a year of his sentence.

We've just had one of these threads...

Have we? I started it in July on the day of the incident so it was probably more topical then.

There is a massive cost to house a prisoner, last time I knew for sure it was 40k PA and that was a few years ago. I think if convicted and it’s a sure thing like this guy then no appeals which have a cost.

The human cost cannot be truly estimated in a tragedy like this but the economic cost can.

Seen those super prisons in Ecuador, crime rate has plummeted, they absolutely infringe human rights but organised crime has plummeted. Obviously this is a different sort of crime and all about mens hatred of women and unfortunatley that will never be eradicated unless you eradicated all the bad men and you never know who they are. The really frightening thing is many men are also perfectly ok until slighted by a woman. The quote Men are worried women will laugh at them but women are worried men will kill them comes to mind.

No, different guy.

Actually a medical profession gives the injection prison guards are not trained and there for not allowed“

And how many “medical professionals” do you believe will be willing to end a physically healthy life? Their remit is the opposite.

The death penalty won't be reinstated in the UK.

Changing the ‘norm’ whereby men hurt and kill women is not about ‘bad men’ it’s much more complex unfortunately. There is a spectrum from The Taliban right through to an assumption from my ex that I’ll work, look after all childcare and house admin while he ‘works really hard’. Poverty makes it all worse, Social media allows self aggrandising tits like Tate to whine that any step forward for women is a step back for men and vulnerable boys believe him. Add a violent family dynamic into the mix and you can end up with a killer. Education and opportunity is the way out. Aberrations will still happen but they should not be an inevitable consequence of a culture which normalises women as disposable.

Yes, prisons are full.
It's costs alot of taxpayers money keeping people alive for years.
Hanging is cheaper and frees up space.
Think of all the extra money that would be freed up.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/violent-inmates-begin-walking-out-of-jails-labour-prison-release-scheme/

This lists a violent criminal who beat up his ex after she ended their relationship, and here is another:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1950834/prisoner-back-in-jail-after-keir-starmer-release

Though why anyone would look at him with a face like that is a mystery.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hollywood-homeless-tragic-downfall-elswick-24362779

If he's paralysed from the waist down - who helps him to be toileted - who helps him dress and get around - do we provide him with a personal assistant?

Could possibly be hospital wing?
Perhaps someone that works in the prison service can say what happens in these cases.