OK-Join me in a "Who will lose their job first?" poll

[CurlewKate]

And how soon" competition.

My money's on David Lammy by February.

He doesn't sound remotely certain in that quote.

He is a lawyer, he could have easily stated he didn't know, wasn't sure, had no medical expertise to comment etc.
He didn't, he confidently passed judgement and was plain wrong.
To my knowledge he has never revisited the statement and admitted he he was wrong.

He is as much as product of his education as many in the Tory party. Amazing self confidence with often minimal reason.

That's just plain nasty.

What's the evidence of Lammy being thick? Didn't he play an absolute blinder getting Starmer a meeting with Biden at D Day commemoration?

This thread just seems in really bad taste. These are real people with families and real people who might see these messages. Imagine if it was you.

Actually I don’t know the age of the op but I can see how some people up to mid to late 30s don’t remember how a functional government works and think this sort of one in one out constantly is completely normal…

A degree of anything does not make you intelligent. Some of the thickest people I know have a wealth of 'degrees' and qualifications.

He's educated. That does not make him intelligent. Sooner people realise this, the better!

Is it also a job requirement for Rayner to cheat on her partner and punch the voters?

I think she has already cheated on her partner.
But to fair that is extremely common on all sides of the house.

I also am inclined to think if you don't want punched you shouldn't throw things at people. But I suspect being female she is much less likely to punch people, although I don't know?

How would she know? He did his masters there, he didn’t go from sixth form.

"Couldn’t you immediately tell what it would lead to - everyone’s prejudices spewing everywhere and an opportunity to criticise a new government for stuff they haven’t done yet 🤷‍♀️
It’s mind boggling."

In fairness, I am very positive about the new government, and I wish them well. I'm happy to see grown-ups in charge. The only person I have been critical about is David Lammy, and that was the case long before he was in the new government, and refers to his actions and comments before he became part of the new government (although I have no doubt he has the capability to add to the list whilst he is part of the new government now!) It is entirely possible to be supportive of the government as a whole, but still have reservations about certain ministers.

Me too. This thread just shows how addicted people have become to political psychodrama. Hopefully those days have gone for a very long time.

Maybe he should have done the ‘university of life?’

I find intelligence and education are usually linked.

My post wasn’t intended to be anything more than a gentle dig at Prescott. I have a soft spot for the man as it happens. He tells a great story about meeting a country squire-type on a train before the 1997 election who said he’d vote for him “because I like the cut of your jib”.

For you and Zonder to leap on this must be the ultimate in defensiveness and whataboutery.

Why can’t people just get over this toxic, divisive culture? This is the work of 14 years of Tory rule - encouraging division and intolerance and malice. Nothing has even gone wrong yet and people are out sniping and smearing politicians. Give them a chance.

Quite. He's certainly not thick.

I rather like David Lammy, though I don't agree with him on everything.

Whether Lammy is intelligent or stupid (in my opinion it's possible to be both) I fully expect it won't be long before he puts his foot in it and is forced to resign. Suspect he'll be an embarrassment to this country.

It was a dig at The Tories actually but whatever

If someone goes I hope Jess Phillips gets a cabinet post. She seems outstanding to me.

I don’t think this thread was started with any intention to attack Labour or be nasty to people. CurlewKate has (at last) been clear that she thinks Lammy may have to go after he makes an impulsive comment, not because he’s no good.

I don’t agree - I think he’ll be awful as Foreign Secretary - but I think Starmer will prioritise stability and continuity over achievement and talent. That wouldn’t be a bad policy.

What's your criteria for "not thick"?

Someone who doesn't think men can grow a cervix

My money is on this

Oh ffs. Nobody thinks they can "grow" one. You're being ludicrous and his opinion on trans issues has nothing to do with his intelligence. It's a personal opinion.

He didn't make any "disgusting comments on women".

He said there were members of the Conservative party and the Labour Party who were like dinosaurs, hoarding their rights.

It's been blown up by anti-left into "woman hating" and its not really a fair representation.

He'll do well to last that long.

Funny how any mention of protecting women's rights is pitched as "anti trans" Tells you all you need to know about what "trans rights" are!