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My marriage survived my husbands affair AMA

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Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 18:22

I see a lot of posts here about cheating . The advice is always LTB. My husband cheated on my 5 years ago. It was the most awful, traumatic time of my life .

We got through it . Our marriage is better than ever ( I am NOT saying that the affair did this - it’s a whole new relationship now and the damage of the affair won’t ever be gone . ) we really worked at it and I am very glad we did .

I never found advice that told me marriages can survive . I found that lots of marriages do actually come through it but people don’t tend to talk about it . I see a lot of advice come from people that haven’t actually came through it or are from relationships where the cheater is a serial cheater . My heart breaks for these people that can’t seem to get any advice other than LTB when that isn’t what they want.

So , that’s why I’m putting this up . To see if what I went through can help anyone else or even just people who want to talk about how it affects you etc - from someone who is in a situation where they can offer advice that isn’t born from anger and hurt .

So , AMA .

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letsgoooo · 09/07/2024 21:42

coldcallerbaiter · 09/07/2024 20:22

Stop kidding yourself OP. It is a deal-breaker. By all means stay but it is a different and poorer relationship now. Many women have stayed the same as you, that is ok, you do not have to make excuses. Cheating does not make a relationship stronger….he may have been besotted with you once but that must have worn off. A lot of men act besotted, which makes it such a surprise when they cheat.

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Well clearly it wasn't a deal breaker for OP and for millions of people who have gone on to build better relationships with their partners

Maybe not for you but that doesn't make it not so.

Never assume your experience or choices are the only ones or right ones for others.

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 21:46

Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 20:08

I have posted it .

Yes I've seen that now, thank you for answering.

Before he cheated, would you have ever imagined that you would stay with a cheater? Or were you always of the view that you would allow for one 'mistake' if you see what I mean?

Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 21:49

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 21:46

Yes I've seen that now, thank you for answering.

Before he cheated, would you have ever imagined that you would stay with a cheater? Or were you always of the view that you would allow for one 'mistake' if you see what I mean?

Never in a million years did I think I would .

I always said that I would never . That a man can’t love you if he cheats , that it’s disgusting . I was actually cheated on in a previous relationship and left and never looked back.

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coldcallerbaiter · 09/07/2024 21:50

Course it is a dealbreaker. It means the end of what was. People stay together for all sorts of family and practical reasons. Let’s not sugarcoat it. It is what it is. Sure you can build something new, with damaged goods. It’s not the end of the world if you do, but at least be honest about the difference. It does not always have to be LTB.

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 21:54

Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 21:49

Never in a million years did I think I would .

I always said that I would never . That a man can’t love you if he cheats , that it’s disgusting . I was actually cheated on in a previous relationship and left and never looked back.

And now that he has cheated, what is your view on what you would do in future if he ever cheats again?

Janiie · 09/07/2024 21:56

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 21:54

And now that he has cheated, what is your view on what you would do in future if he ever cheats again?

She's said a couple of times that would be it.

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 21:57

He admits to me that he treated her with no respect and just told got up and walked out without a word

do you actually believe that, considering they met again? Does it make you feel better about it. To think he was drunk and disrespectful? It’s hard to accept thay surely as no woman would see him a second time. And continue to text.

and the whole “everyone saw us as the perfect couple” is also highly unlikely. No one thinks like that.

I believe that she got her commupence from it. It was clear in messages I saw that she wanted more and he did not . It was quite clear that she was used by him

this is horrible. But I assume it is what you chose to believe to make it acceptable to you? When did your husband get his come uppance ?

a lot of what you write feels unrealistic. They saw us as perfect. He Just used her. She is not as attractive as me. He was drunk. He didn’t respect her. It just feels like a lot of stuff you’ve chosen to beleive to enable you to stay as it clearly isn’t true.

Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 21:57

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 21:54

And now that he has cheated, what is your view on what you would do in future if he ever cheats again?

It would be over . There would be no discussions on why he did it . I would have no interest in knowing .

He saw my pain . I know that he knew it would hurt me when he did it - even if he didn’t think it in that moment , he knew . But now he has seen it with his own eyes , I poured my heart and soul out he saw that pain as raw as anything . If he chose to do something to cause that again , that would be it . No question .

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MrsKeats · 09/07/2024 22:02

You lost me at men think about sex differently. Such a trite and untrue thing to say.

GoodVibesHere · 09/07/2024 22:12

Incognito22 · 09/07/2024 21:57

It would be over . There would be no discussions on why he did it . I would have no interest in knowing .

He saw my pain . I know that he knew it would hurt me when he did it - even if he didn’t think it in that moment , he knew . But now he has seen it with his own eyes , I poured my heart and soul out he saw that pain as raw as anything . If he chose to do something to cause that again , that would be it . No question .

Thank you for answering. I feel like you've given an open and honest AMA and it's very brave of you, knowing that most people would say you should've LTB. You do sound happy, to be fair.

hazandduck · 09/07/2024 22:16

Hi OP, thanks for making this thread. It’s an interesting perspective!

Do you now feel a certain sense of freedom, if you met someone you were attracted to you could embark on a fling guiltlessly? Have you ever been tempted to? Or do you think your husband wouldn’t forgive you the way you forgave him?

Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 06:02

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 21:57

He admits to me that he treated her with no respect and just told got up and walked out without a word

do you actually believe that, considering they met again? Does it make you feel better about it. To think he was drunk and disrespectful? It’s hard to accept thay surely as no woman would see him a second time. And continue to text.

and the whole “everyone saw us as the perfect couple” is also highly unlikely. No one thinks like that.

I believe that she got her commupence from it. It was clear in messages I saw that she wanted more and he did not . It was quite clear that she was used by him

this is horrible. But I assume it is what you chose to believe to make it acceptable to you? When did your husband get his come uppance ?

a lot of what you write feels unrealistic. They saw us as perfect. He Just used her. She is not as attractive as me. He was drunk. He didn’t respect her. It just feels like a lot of stuff you’ve chosen to beleive to enable you to stay as it clearly isn’t true.

I do genuinely believe he was drunk and disrespectful, yes. I have seen evidence of that. Women most certainly would go back again . I have done it myself in the past - been clearly used by someone and convinced myself that he did actually want more.

Im not really sure what world you live in to believe that this doesn’t happen - that women aren’t used , that they aren’t led on , that they don’t think they can change men etc etc .

I agree it’s horrible - in a usual situation. I do not think it’s horrible for a woman who had sex with a man she knew was married .

I am not responsible for her commupence and I don’t need to make it equal between her and him so asking me what his was implies that I am somehow responsible for this or implies that it was unfair on her somehow. I focused on ME . I would assume that his was breaking his marriage vows and the guilt he has from that but I’m not him. Quite frankly I don’t care what either of them suffered from it . I didn’t try to ruin her life or bombard her - I was dignified and saved the anger for the man who’s betrayal hurt me so it’s not like she got the worst end of the stick in that way. Whatever she felt , it’s a natural reaction from her choices .

You do not have to believe that people saw us as the perfect couple , it matters not to me, but it’s true. I know many couples that I see as perfect couples . I just know now from experience that what is displayed outwardly doesn’t necessarily represent the real state of things .

It doesn’t sound realistic to you because you have not lived it. Because you can’t see that someone could have what they percieve as a near perfect relationship and then one F’s it up , you can’t believe that a woman can not not feel low and disgusted with herself after being cheated on, that men can’t cheat and then realise their mistake and not do it again - because “ once a cheat , always a cheat “ …. It all seems unrealistic because it’s not the narrative that fits , it’s not what is usually said - that’s because there are thousands of people out there quietly mending their relationship after betrayal and not speaking about it because they will simply be told that they are wrong , that what they believe is wrong and that others know more about the situation than they do .

Anyway - as I said it’s not an AIBU - I don’t need to justify anything . Feel free to your opinions but as I have said I am happy - I have lived this and got through - so I question your intentions when you try to turn my thoughts and feelings around with your opinions or why you think they need to be heard by me .

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 06:05

hazandduck · 09/07/2024 22:16

Hi OP, thanks for making this thread. It’s an interesting perspective!

Do you now feel a certain sense of freedom, if you met someone you were attracted to you could embark on a fling guiltlessly? Have you ever been tempted to? Or do you think your husband wouldn’t forgive you the way you forgave him?

No , not at all. If I were to cheat then that would mean that I had not only been hurt by the cheating but it has also allowed me to change the person I am and change all my beliefs and my core values . It would destroy me as much as him .

Having experienced this pain I could not be responsible for inflicting that on someone else, not even someone I hated . I couldn’t live with myself. It has nothing to do with how he would react and everything to do with me .

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 06:14

hazandduck · 09/07/2024 22:16

Hi OP, thanks for making this thread. It’s an interesting perspective!

Do you now feel a certain sense of freedom, if you met someone you were attracted to you could embark on a fling guiltlessly? Have you ever been tempted to? Or do you think your husband wouldn’t forgive you the way you forgave him?

However - if you asked me if I hadn’t , in the early days , wanted him to feel this pain ? Wanted him to have to think of someone else touching me and of me having sex with someone else ? Yes . 100% yes . For a split second did I consider just going out and sleeping with someone and telling him ? Oh yes , it doesn’t sound like it from the thread but there was a lot of anger and for a period of time , hate too .

Quite soon after , I did leave our home for about 2 weeks . I went out with a friend , drank a good few glasses of wine and was in an emotional state . I bumped in to a few of his friends . There is one friend of his that has always been very flirty toward me but I’ve taken no notice as I only ever wanted my husband . I told him what had happened , I lapped up the “ he doesn’t know what he’s got , if you were mine etc etc “ … I was angry and drunk and wanted to actually be able to do something to hurt him - I wanted to have the personality to be able to do that but I couldn’t . Absolutely nothing at all happened - I ended up crying , embarrassing myself and being taken home by my friend . But , yes I was tempted.

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 07:05

2chocolateoranges · 09/07/2024 19:25

You say you’ll never fully trust him and that you can’t forgive what he did , you can’t get over what he did and you don’t know whether you can believe the details of how long he cheated for, for me, this is no basis for a relationship.

how can you have sex with someone who broke their wedding vows to you?

I feel I am generally over it in how it affects me now - or more that I’m past it. I guess I forgive him in terms of I don’t hate him for it , I no longer judge him for it or harbour resentment - I’ve forgiven enough to feel released from the resentment on my part . So a big part of me has forgiven - but I’ve not forgiven in the way to say that it’s ok .

I have no doubt in my mind that it didn’t go on longer - she lived in Scotland . He was there 2 weeks . But , do I wonder if the 2 times was true. He insists it was - insists that he could have said it was a ONS, I still would have been as hurt - but I know those 2 weeks were alcohol filled so I did wonder .

I see it - maybe this is a coping mechanism- as a before , and now is after . I see it as new vows to me haven’t been broken. I chose to do that , I chose to draw a line . I don’t mistrust him in a way that I’m always on edge , I do believe he is 100% faithful now I wholeheartedly believe that and have no reason to think otherwise . But - is suspicions arose or he was accused - whereas before I would have thought , and did , that he would never do that - I can’t think that now and I would doubt him because he DID do that . How could I ever have that 100% belief in him .

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 07:09

MrsKeats · 09/07/2024 22:02

You lost me at men think about sex differently. Such a trite and untrue thing to say.

We all have different opinions , you are completely entitled to yours. I have always believed that - it doesn’t make it right but I do believe that.

If he cheated again , I couldn’t say that I would be 100% sure he didn’t love me still . But , this time it wouldn’t help - it would be over . But I do believe that men , more than women , can have sex without having feelings .

There are many couples , for various reasons , who are in sexless marriages . I believe men could have an affair to meet their sexual needs whilst still loving their wives and seeing it as purely a physical need being met. That they could seperate their feelings for the wife from this . I am NOT saying it’s ok , but I think it would be less common for a woman to do that . I believe in that respect women have more of a moral compass than some men .

OP posts:
letsgoooo · 10/07/2024 07:46

coldcallerbaiter · 09/07/2024 21:50

Course it is a dealbreaker. It means the end of what was. People stay together for all sorts of family and practical reasons. Let’s not sugarcoat it. It is what it is. Sure you can build something new, with damaged goods. It’s not the end of the world if you do, but at least be honest about the difference. It does not always have to be LTB.

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We are all damaged goods

People with addictions make bad choices.

Some people would not see it tenable to stay with someone who has addictions even if they are clean. Others would.

Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 07:55

letsgoooo · 10/07/2024 07:46

We are all damaged goods

People with addictions make bad choices.

Some people would not see it tenable to stay with someone who has addictions even if they are clean. Others would.

Eloquently put.

I think you have to be strong yourself and know that you can seperate things and make sure your own feelings are prioritised. I think it could be easy for some people to work so hard at trying to repair something or someone that they get lost themselves in the process and it’s really important to make sure you have the tools to not allow that to happen. It’s not worth losing yourself trying to save someone else .

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Redflagsabounded · 10/07/2024 08:37

I don't really understand why you connect the ability to have casual sex (and I disagree with you about women there, I enjoyed plenty of completely meaningless but fun sex, and so have many other women I know) and the ability to cheat on your partner.

Two completely different things to me.

One choice is harmless and moral, the other choice is very harmful and immoral.

Why do you link the two?

ginandc · 10/07/2024 11:52

I know this thread has moved on but just responding to your question to me ^^

Do you still think of it ? In terms of the guilt ?

Yes. I do. Each day there will be something that takes me back. I liken it to an alcoholic walking past a pub where they did x or said x.

So there are certain situations that will make me remember.

My DH never asked any questions. I've been totally honest and open but he thinks of it like a time before we met I think? We weren't sleeping together at the time of the affair

It's like a second marriage to the same person. I am much calmer and don't sweat the small stuff.

Oh and since my affair he has had a parental bereavement which has also solidified our relationship as these things sometimes do?

Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 12:05

Redflagsabounded · 10/07/2024 08:37

I don't really understand why you connect the ability to have casual sex (and I disagree with you about women there, I enjoyed plenty of completely meaningless but fun sex, and so have many other women I know) and the ability to cheat on your partner.

Two completely different things to me.

One choice is harmless and moral, the other choice is very harmful and immoral.

Why do you link the two?

I am not linking or comparing . I am not talking about casual sex as a single person , I am talking about cheating so it’s not the same .

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 18:13

It looks like the thread is dying down now , so a last post ( unless anyone does have questions ) .

Firstly , I hope this has helped some people. It’s a lonely time and it’s hard to find support if you don’t want to end the relationship .

It is really important to remember that it’s YOU as the betrayed party who matters here . The cheater made those choices - no one forced them to , despite the reasons leading to it . I have been very open in the fact that I am aware that my actions leading up did have an impact but I do not and will never believe they justified the cheating . It was not my fault . It is not your fault . Don’t take blame , don’t let them feel as though it’s justified . You can recognise them feeling neglected or lonely or whatever - without saying that it makes it ok because NOTHING makes it ok for one human to destroy another and that’s what it does . I was destroyed, I may have repaired , but I was completely destroyed .

It takes time. You won’t heal straight away , you may never heal completely. In my experience it does get easier - it’s like a broken bone . It repairs but it will always be a bit tender , you’ll always be careful , it won’t hurt as much over time but you won’t forget how much it hurt . You won’t always have those intrusive , overwhelming thoughts and it won’t always feel as raw but you won’t ever forget it .

Forgiveness is for you not them. You don’t have to reach a point where you tell them you forgive them . It’s how it feels for you. For me , forgiveness was important for me to let go of resentment . In my head I have forgiven . It was liberating for me to do that , to feel that . A turning point . I have never told him I forgive him . I won’t either . He needs to live with it and understand what he caused and I’m not giving him an easy ride for it - I don’t hold it over him at all , but my he needs to forgive himself and I don’t owe him that - I don’t owe him something to ease his guilt , he caused it he needs to decide if he forgives himself.

Therapy worked well for me and for us as a couple . It gave us tools to be open and confront things that we never did .

You don’t have to feel that because you decided to stay that’s it and you now have to live with it. If you can’t , leave . Do what’s best for you . If you stay for a year and it’s damaging you and you cannot get over it then you can leave . They caused this , you can try but if it makes you unhappy please put yourself first .

Don’t feel ashamed or weak . You did nothing wrong . It’s not weak to stay with someone who broke your heart and try to understand and move past it - it’s the opposite, it’s very strong . But, so is leaving . If you can’t get past it and you leave then you are strong for walking away from something that causes you pain but will still cause you pain . The cheater is the weak one .

Lastly , do not EVER think that you are lacking something and you are not enough because you were cheated on . Do not compare yourself to the other woman and wonder what she had that you didn’t - because in my experience on this journey and speaking to others … they tend to cheat down . I don’t mean that to be a nasty , cheap dig at the other woman but what I mean is cheaters tend to go for someone who flatters their ego and who is there and willing - a lot of time they go for woman they feel are inferior to them because they feel as though the woman is “grateful” that they are interested … they usually have low self confidence deep down ( which is why they aren’t staying committed - they are looking for more attention , more ego boosting ) someone who goes with a married man- knowingly - must surely , in my opinion , have issues themselves . The loyal wife has more of a moral compass and is a better person ( I don’t care how that sounds , but to go with a married man knowingly is deplorable ) - I would say the same about men who cheat - any woman who is reading this and their partner hasn’t cheated - yes , they have more of a moral compass than my husband - let’s face it . So don’t ever think that the other woman is better than you . Cheaters are selfish , whether they atone for what they have done and become better people , in that moment when they cheated they were very selfish .

I just hope this thread has helped. It has been a bit painful for me but it has also been therapeutic. Talking helps .

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Incognito22 · 10/07/2024 18:24

Just to add too - as I didn’t add - the positives :

You can build a new relationship. It can feel better . It’s not that cheating made it better but I mean that , for me , it made us face up to things and develop a new dynamic . It’s a happy , healthy relationship. I feel loved , secure and honestly- completely happy. I’m glad I stayed . It wasn’t easy, there were times I thought I couldn’t do it , but I’m glad I did.

I feel the love from him , completely. I feel that he messed up massively and he knows this . I feel that he is grateful for this second chance and sees what he always had and almost lost.

Im not naive - I have mentally prepared myself that it might not be forever . I don’t really believe it won’t but I’ve had to protect myself and talk to myself honestly and say to myself “ he did it once , how do I know 100% he won’t again ? I can believe he won’t but knowing for certain - impossible “ so I know , wholeheartedly that I have done everything and if he did I would walk away. There’s no way after all this , all the pain and all the work , that I would believe that I could do it again.

But , I made it and I’m glad I stayed. I don’t regret my decision for a minute. I hope for anyone that is now where I was 5 years ago - I hope it’s the same for you .

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Itsmeamandaberry · 10/07/2024 19:23

As someone who was repeatedly cheated on I hope you work on your self esteem and self worth.

Rubyredlegs · 18/07/2024 11:18

Thank you OP for sharing your story and basically opening up your life and heart.
Being almost a year since my own mental torture began, I'm grateful for your insight and spirit with acceptance and moving forward.

My DH wasn't honest with me unfortunately. I had months and months of gaslighting to the extreme. On our second relate counselling session, he was told he had made some serious errors of misjudgement- he refused to go back. So I found my own supportive counsellor and opened up to good friends to which have helped me cope and regain my life.

We are still together. Mostly it's good - very good - so long as I don't rock the boat.

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