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One thing you're confident Labour can sort/change

241 replies

Toomuch44 · 05/07/2024 11:13

Have to admit, I've never voted labour (but did change my vote this time around), have lived in a very safe Tory seat (but now LibDem) for years. Totally accept we need a change.

If you voted labour or know a lot about politics, I'd be interested to know one thing you feel confident they can sort, do better on or bring in that will be beneficial. No arguments/criticisms of others please.

OP posts:
Bumpitybumper · 05/07/2024 12:35

jockeywilsonsaid · 05/07/2024 12:26

Did the Tories ever give up on the narrative that Labour spent all the money rather than it being the fault of the global financial crash?

At least the despicable Rwanda plan will be scrapped.

Labour played their part in the last global financial crash. They failed to regulate the City properly because they relied on the tax it was paying to keep the deficit relatively low. Without this money then the deficit would have been much larger, but of course it all went wrong and the lack of regulation really came home to roost. Like it or not, Major handed to Blair a much healthier financial picture than Cameron inherited from Brown. Now Starmer has inherited a financial shit show and won't be able to rely on the easy growth of the late 90s and 2000s that Blair enjoyed so any increase in public spending won't come so easily.

I don't like Rwanda but I notice that Labour have no plans whatsoever to tackle the immigration crisis and mark my words, over the next few decades it will become more obvious than ever for all Western countries that this is indeed a crisis.

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 12:36

StarDolphins · 05/07/2024 12:35

No point chucking more millions at the NHS. It needs restructuring & accountability. Far too much money wasted already.

@StarDolphins yep, and when Brown brought us slap bang into the European average, productivity declined - and the only discernible change was a massive pay rise for NHS staff. (Also “chronically and historically underpaid” according to them).

You could cram the entire GDP into the maw of the NHS and it would still demand more and screech about underfunding - even (as now) with the consultants’ car park full of Jags and Mercs.

The NHS doesn’t even do irony well.

FundingitallHow · 05/07/2024 12:37

@Newsenmum he's never mentioned nor has the then shadow education minister how they will improve sen provision.
Some dc have mild needs that are not understood in main stream schools.
How can they improve provision without talking about the elephants in the room. That is that teachers don't get trainers in sen at all?

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EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 12:41

jockeywilsonsaid · 05/07/2024 12:26

Did the Tories ever give up on the narrative that Labour spent all the money rather than it being the fault of the global financial crash?

At least the despicable Rwanda plan will be scrapped.

Starmer will be up against it with their new approach and rising numbers. It could help Reform though

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 12:42

NHS wont be fixed by anyone unless they have a cross party group looking at it and they start to start small charges £10 for a GP appointment etc. Other EU countries have good systems. Why is it seen as a scared cow (when its just a horrible mess?)

Namechange98242 · 05/07/2024 12:44

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2024 11:58

What is one thing you're confident Labour can sort/change?
The perception that Labour are amazing and will solve all the world's problems.
😂

(I wouldn't have the confidence that ANY party can definitely solve any issue atm, because there is a general lack of joined up political thinking thats shared by all the parties atm, because they focus on ideology rather than problem solving).

This 😅

I think some people are pretty naive to think that Labour are going to miraculously fix all or any of the country's problems; a great many of which are world issues, with limited control by a national government.

Plus, as you say, politics seems to be about blindly sticking to the party narrative, rather than thinking practically and holistically about solutions.

Namechange98242 · 05/07/2024 12:46

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 12:42

NHS wont be fixed by anyone unless they have a cross party group looking at it and they start to start small charges £10 for a GP appointment etc. Other EU countries have good systems. Why is it seen as a scared cow (when its just a horrible mess?)

I think much more cross-Party working (with background 'experts' on each issue) would be beneficial for many areas of policy.

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 12:46

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 12:42

NHS wont be fixed by anyone unless they have a cross party group looking at it and they start to start small charges £10 for a GP appointment etc. Other EU countries have good systems. Why is it seen as a scared cow (when its just a horrible mess?)

So hang on will those on a low income be exempt from the £10?

So I as high rate tax payer have to pay twice? I gave to pay high tax and NI and pay again for a GP appt whilst those who don't contribute pay nothing?

The costs of administration of those charges would be higher than the income from the charge.

OnlyTheBravest · 05/07/2024 12:47

Education spending is better under Labour, so hope to see some positive changes for future generations and security for the existing Sure Start centres, which do a fabulous job of early years interventions.

I will be surprised if they manage to do much else as there is a huge hole in finances and it is hard to see how this can be plugged without additional taxes, which would be exceptionally unpopular.

Miley1967 · 05/07/2024 12:47

I don't think they'll do much. The growth they want will take years and there's no money to tackle immediate massive problems like NHS and infrastructure without borrowing. It's all a bit depressing but the problems we have are massive and deeply entrenched and not cheap to fix.

BeethovenNinth · 05/07/2024 12:48

How can he do anything without increasing tax?

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 12:51

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 12:42

NHS wont be fixed by anyone unless they have a cross party group looking at it and they start to start small charges £10 for a GP appointment etc. Other EU countries have good systems. Why is it seen as a scared cow (when its just a horrible mess?)

The NHS is such a big project, but there are things that could be done easily to make it more efficient.

I've had a minor injury recently and TBF have had very good care, but:

-I've had 3 letters confirming appointments I'd been given in person and received follow up texts for.
-I was prescribed antibiotics "just in case" for a very small graze. (Which I didn't pay for because they were issued in hospital. I had a broken bone, but also a very small superficial graze.)
-I had a physio appointment to be told to do some very straight forward exercises, which could have been given by email

  • They used some sticking plaster to fix a splint and gave me the rest of the roll and the scissors (twice)
  • They don't want any of the mobility aids back.
mondaytosunday · 05/07/2024 12:52

They can't 'sort' anything. They can try, but every party wants to improve and change the same things and every time each one gets in to power they try but ultimately fail . Unfortunately nothing happens in isolation and there are no magic wands.

Sb3344 · 05/07/2024 12:55

I believe the breakfast clubs for each school will have a direct impact on child poverty and wellbeing of children. I’m a former primary school teacher and had many cases of children not eating breakfast before school. They would then cry during the morning, saying they were hungry and I would give them food but by then it’s too late! They’ve already had a Maths or English lesson and had not learnt anything because they were too hungry to concentrate! ☹️ The breakfast clubs will also help childcare issues for parents.

WickedSerious · 05/07/2024 12:58

Fuck all.

LakeTiticaca · 05/07/2024 12:58

It will be like the 70s all over again. Union stranglehold, rubbish unemptied, thebdead unburied, lights going out.
Hold on it's going to be a rough rife!!

piperatthegates · 05/07/2024 12:58

Nothing! And especially not the NHS.

YouJustDoYou · 05/07/2024 12:59

Bumpitybumper · 05/07/2024 12:35

Labour played their part in the last global financial crash. They failed to regulate the City properly because they relied on the tax it was paying to keep the deficit relatively low. Without this money then the deficit would have been much larger, but of course it all went wrong and the lack of regulation really came home to roost. Like it or not, Major handed to Blair a much healthier financial picture than Cameron inherited from Brown. Now Starmer has inherited a financial shit show and won't be able to rely on the easy growth of the late 90s and 2000s that Blair enjoyed so any increase in public spending won't come so easily.

I don't like Rwanda but I notice that Labour have no plans whatsoever to tackle the immigration crisis and mark my words, over the next few decades it will become more obvious than ever for all Western countries that this is indeed a crisis.

Yup.

Caththegreat · 05/07/2024 13:00

They'll privatise it

nearlylovemyusername · 05/07/2024 13:01

There is not a single fully costed policy in Labour manifesto. Their biggest income is £5.3bn from non-doms which won't materialise (they are already leaving in droves).

What's going to happen in the next two months - "things are much worse than initially thought, sorry you have to pay a bit more for the benefit of society".

Wave of taxes hitting higher earners and everyone with some assets/savings - usual targets who are less mobile and less able to escape.

This will result in these groups, mostly professionals, being increasingly disengaged and withdrawing from labour market, either reducing hours or early retirement. Some highly skilled and younger ones will emigrate. Which will in turn result in reduction of total tax take and having to increase immigration to compensate.

16yolds, influenced by TikTok will be ripe for Reform so 2029 will be scary indeed.

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mumsthewordi · 05/07/2024 13:04

As a high earner I have no issue in taxes being raised , we're a society not just individuals
My concern is what this then goes to as I think nhs/ schools system / immigration issues

Need more than just money

Willyoujustbequiet · 05/07/2024 13:05

Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 11:31

So you just blindly believe they can do this? Wow.

No they just answered the OPs question.

I would have thought it was glaringly obvious to most that Labour ideology aligns more with the concept of the NHS than a tory one ever would. Therefore the NHS will be safer in their hands.

duc748 · 05/07/2024 13:09

'Immigration issues' would be better if pols were more honest with the public. Every party says they'll cut immigration, but even under the Tories we saw it rise. Why? because even the Tories recognise that we need the immigrant work-force. Yes, "train up our own people instead of relying on immigration" sounds appealing, if you say it quick. So why don't political parties (esp the Tories) just do it? Because they know it'd take years and years, and what do you do in the short-term?

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/07/2024 13:11

I am confident they will achieve spectacular growth (to the national debt)

Inmynotgivingafuckera · 05/07/2024 13:12

Ok - so I hope that they will make changes to the NHS that will benefit those who use it.

I hope that they will achieve more equity across the UK in relation to the education that our children receive.

I would love a country where access to good education is not determined by where you live / how much money you have. And I am not necessarily talking about academic results.

I don’t know how to fix this. So please don’t come at me.

I am not against private education at the moment - if we could afford it we might have sent our kids to private school because our local school is in an area of high deprivation and there are issues with behaviour / motivation to learn.

However, I also don’t believe that private schools should have charitable status. They aren’t charities, they are businesses who benefit the most affluent. Our local private school nearly lost its charitable status because it wasn’t offering enough bursary places. I don’t believe this would have changed if they hadn’t been pulled up.