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One thing you're confident Labour can sort/change

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Toomuch44 · 05/07/2024 11:13

Have to admit, I've never voted labour (but did change my vote this time around), have lived in a very safe Tory seat (but now LibDem) for years. Totally accept we need a change.

If you voted labour or know a lot about politics, I'd be interested to know one thing you feel confident they can sort, do better on or bring in that will be beneficial. No arguments/criticisms of others please.

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StarDolphins · 05/07/2024 12:05

kirinm · 05/07/2024 12:04

@StarDolphins you mean just like when Labour were in power 14 years ago? When patient satisfaction was at its highest?

The U.K. if far, far different now to 14 years ago.

Leglessly · 05/07/2024 12:05

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 11:53

Nothing. They have the capacity to make things fucking worse.

I agree with this.

User2460177 · 05/07/2024 12:05

I’m not sure they can really do much and they haven’t offered much either. The problem is we have a huge increase in government debt post Covid and a rapidly aging population means government funds are declining and spending demands are increasing.

I will definitely be keen to give them a chance but don’t have high hopes

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Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 12:05

MendingTheNets · 05/07/2024 11:38

How can they deal with NHS waiting lists? All I've seen is that they'll offer overtime to doctors to clear waiting lists. But doctors are already working way beyond their hours, waiting list initiatives have been in place since god knows when, but certainly the late 90s, and doctors can earn more working for an agency than doing NHS overtime. Plus there's a massive issue with recruitment and retention of medical staff, so asking then to do more isn't going to work.

It takes an absolute minimum of 12 years to 'grow' a consultant.

Yes he said his plan is the staff need to work overtime but they are so stretched as it is, and how will they pay for it?

Justcallmebebes · 05/07/2024 12:06

I'm very glad of the change but yet to be convinced Starmer's Labour is the answer.

I'd like to see investment and an overhaul of social care, affordable energy and an overhaul of the NHS and better public transport in rural areas. I hope they don't get carried away with the net zero fanaticism

EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 12:06

kirinm · 05/07/2024 12:04

@StarDolphins you mean just like when Labour were in power 14 years ago? When patient satisfaction was at its highest?

I guess we’ll see what next rather than 14 years ago

Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 12:06

RelativePitch · 05/07/2024 11:48

I think they will spend a fortune on clearing the NHS waiting lists, overtime in the NHS, poaching doctors from all round the planet and using private hospitals. IIRC New Labour back in the day, even sent patients to France for things like hip operations to slash the waiting lists. People loved that, great hospital food in France!
They will have to borrow a lot to do it. We will have to pray for economic growth to cover the bill.

You think they will act as labour of old and spend all the money and increase borrowing, basically a modern day Gordon brown.?

Proudtobeanortherner · 05/07/2024 12:07

FundingitallHow · 05/07/2024 11:37

@SaltyGod that's how I feel because I ve not heard any decent radical solutions to problems.
Boats! Tory went after gangs, they have made a arrests... They still come.
NHS! Back log started massively in covid, how can they speed this up without working at the weekend, more mri scanners, radiologist and so on.
Education! There is no understanding of the need for better teaching around sen without this everything else is pretty hopeless.
Divisive! As we see many times from posters here there is a terrible streak in the labour party that calls people who don't vote Labour thick stupid, racist and selfish.
Trans issues! Goodbye women's rights.
I could go on.
Not a single sound bite has said how they will sort any issue except (anyone with money, we've come for you.)

Don’t forget to add that rural issues are now of no relevance at all because farmers are of no importance to food production or land management. Let’s just tarmac the lot and turn it into a theme park or better still, landfill but above ground and indiscriminate 😥

kirinm · 05/07/2024 12:08

@EasternStandard oddly Labour couldn't have any impact on the state of the NHS or any other public service, in opposition. There's only one party responsible for the current state of the NHS. Labour are not magicians. There's a lot of damage to fix and they can't do it overnight.

Hedgehogsocks · 05/07/2024 12:09

blackwhitegrey · 05/07/2024 11:50

@Myblindsaredown and you're incredibly rude and aggressive. Why are you picking at 1 poster like a school bully?

I was thinking this too. There’s no need for it.

Jackette · 05/07/2024 12:09

@Mainats that is my worst fear. Once people have worked out what PR would have meant with the share of the vote then we can see just what this country if thinking, well the 60% that could be bothered to vote.

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 05/07/2024 12:09

Proudtobeanortherner · 05/07/2024 12:07

Don’t forget to add that rural issues are now of no relevance at all because farmers are of no importance to food production or land management. Let’s just tarmac the lot and turn it into a theme park or better still, landfill but above ground and indiscriminate 😥

This.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 05/07/2024 12:09

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2024 11:58

What is one thing you're confident Labour can sort/change?
The perception that Labour are amazing and will solve all the world's problems.
😂

(I wouldn't have the confidence that ANY party can definitely solve any issue atm, because there is a general lack of joined up political thinking thats shared by all the parties atm, because they focus on ideology rather than problem solving).

Agree. The one thing I’m confident labour can change is the perception that they will save the NHS.

FundingitallHow · 05/07/2024 12:10

Kirin because the NHS doesn't work very well and cancer targets are scary.
I can't see the issue with looking at what works well elsewhere and implementing it..

The French health system took no prisoners when we had an accident there during our eu pact.
Our daughter hurt herself and before a single thing washed done we were questioned (interrogated) about where we lived, our work and all sorts before a thermometer went near dd.
We received a bill a few months later.

User2460177 · 05/07/2024 12:11

Aaron95 · 05/07/2024 11:35

What they can do with GB energy is start to reduce the price we all pay for non-fossil fuel energy. The cost to produce wind/solar etc. has not gone up but we are paying for it at market rates which are based on the cost of producing energy from oil/gas.

its true that the price of electricity is set by reference to oil and gas prices. We don’t need a new energy company to fix that though especially if it’s not actually generating any energy.

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2024 12:11

I think my problem is that there is a section of Labour supporter who think Labour are miracle workers.

Some of the UK's problems are deeply structural and will take decades of cross party working across successive governments to address some of our biggest problems which aren't going to go away any time soon.

FundingitallHow · 05/07/2024 12:11

Yes it will be interesting if when we see labour fail on the NHS that we can call for it to be lifted out of politics

whiteroseredrose · 05/07/2024 12:12

I'm hoping that they will hold water companies to account re dumping sewage in rivers. From what I've read the Environment Agency didn't bother going to investigate most and even when the companies were found negligent nothing happened.

EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 12:12

kirinm · 05/07/2024 12:08

@EasternStandard oddly Labour couldn't have any impact on the state of the NHS or any other public service, in opposition. There's only one party responsible for the current state of the NHS. Labour are not magicians. There's a lot of damage to fix and they can't do it overnight.

That wasn’t my point. I meant we can judge as they lead rather than 14 years ago as they are now in power

bergamotorange · 05/07/2024 12:14

MendingTheNets · 05/07/2024 11:47

That doesn't create any more doctor hours though. If you've ever tried to find a junior doctor to cover a shift on a Friday afternoon when they're all already knackered, you'd understand. Taking to the BMA won't make any difference. The manifesto was deliberately vague...

I guess we will see.

I'd consider it a step forward to avert more strikes tbh.

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2024 12:15

Labour can't 'fix the NHS' without also having due consideration to lifestyle shifts.

The two are deeply intertwined.

Until you can get the families that live across the road from me, to walk their kids to school rather than drive them, there will be an issue. It often takes me less time to walk than it takes them to drive because of the route being significantly longer than the footpaths and the traffic.

Good luck with that.

bergamotorange · 05/07/2024 12:15

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2024 12:11

I think my problem is that there is a section of Labour supporter who think Labour are miracle workers.

Some of the UK's problems are deeply structural and will take decades of cross party working across successive governments to address some of our biggest problems which aren't going to go away any time soon.

Perhaps the biggest thing the new government can do then is to talk about these big issues in realistic terms.

Preq · 05/07/2024 12:16

The tie colour or blouse colour the front bench wears, I’m confident in it being largely the same old shit but in a different colour.

FundingitallHow · 05/07/2024 12:17

@whiteroseredrose yes!! Now that should be something easier and more achievable.

Yalta · 05/07/2024 12:18

I think the NHS needs a completely different approach to how it spends or saves money

ATM it only seems to save money by not doing something which then leads to more money being spent in the long term

Departments getting more money than they need and spending it on wasteful projects that help no one because if they didn’t spend it they wouldn’t get the same amount of money the following year

Or just having ways of doing things that just waste money, time and resources

Whilst not helping those that need medical care