Any Labour supporters feeling a little...

[CurlewKate]

.... nervous?

I am dreading the outcome whatever it is. I fear we are screwed every way...

Most of our hard won rights are about combatting exclusion from the rights and opportunities that men have.

Safe spaces are important, but treating them as the be-all and end-all of women's rights risks ignoring and losing a lot of our key rights: equal opportunities in employment and pay, equal opportunities in education, reproductive rights, etc.

I don't need politicians to 'know what a woman is'; I need them to prevent people from discriminating against me just because I'm a woman.

@lovelysunshine22 "She's a vile foul mouthed hypocrite! Also having met KS in a non political setting more than once all i can say is what you see on tv is most certainly not what you get in person and be careful what you wish for!"

You really need to provide some evidence for statements like this. Nobody is impressed by "Ooh, if you only knew what I know!" while tapping nose meaningfully. It's just tedious and juvenile.

Reform are sending out a warning shot to us all. Sort out immgration and stop moving the deckchairs around otherwise next time it will be not be Labour who are celebrating. We will go the way of France and also what is all the Independent MP's and Gaza??

You ask the average person in the street what the issue is in the ME and they wont know and yet certain areas are up in arms about it to such an extent that they end up having MP's to represent them on this ONE issue.

The average UK citizen is well over 40 years old. Without immigration we don't have enough of a workforce to pay all those mardy brexiter boomers' pensions and disability benefits, especially now they're coming back from Spain and into NHS beds having voted against their own free EU movement.

The Gaza issue is the other side of the British exceptionalism coin - people complete wrongly believing that what the UK government says has influence on Israel and the USA.

What a massive relief!

I hope you drank the lot @CurlewKate

This is not all on Sunak, it's a reflection on all his party and his predecessors as leader. How many more children would have gone into poverty if the Tories had continued. Labour now have the chance to help them improve their life chances.

Very difficult situation , as labour only won 1 percent more of the vote than last election, simply they have a landslide as the Tory vote was split between the other parties, giving Labour so many seats. So the population is not as behind them as it would appear.

and now they have to deliver, on big promises made that are factually not feasible to deliver without taxing the working person hard, something they promised not to do, making struggling people poorer, or not delivering, in a parliament with a lot of cross party opposition. And a hidden division in the Labour Party itself which is bruising, between rhe hard core left which will fight starmer all the way,

when the initial euphoria wears off, it’s going to be a very very difficult time.

Whatever @Theweepywillow

What is clear is that the British public have absolutely reached the end of their tether with the Tories

"I don't need politicians to 'know what a woman is'; I need them to prevent people from discriminating against me just because I'm a woman."

They quite literally can't do that if the definition of woman is not adult human female.

For example, the Equality Act, designed to protect (actual) women against, for example, equal pay discrimination, is seriously hampered if the definition of "woman" is expanded beyond biological women. Broadly (because I am certainly not qualified to give great detail), in the case of equal pay discrimination cases, that is because of the use of 'comparators' in a legal sense to prove that the difference is because of sex, and therefore unlawful.

If the man or men (being paid more than the woman/women) who would ordinarily be the 'comparators' that would enable her to show sex discrimination are suddenly legally counted as women, not only can those men not be used as those opposite sex comparators needed, but their simple existence actually undermines her common-sense case because, look, that "woman" over there is being paid the same as the men, so the reason for the disparity in pay between all the men and the complaining woman can't sensibly be sex discrimination. That company is clearly perfectly happy to pay "women" the same as men, so there must be another reason for the low pay of the complaining woman.

Unfortunately the Scottish courts have decided that 'sex' in the Equality Act includes men with a gender recognition certificate so that's the situation we're currently in. That's in relation to ensuring that women are represented on public boards, but a man with a GRC will - according to the Inner House - do the trick. No biological women necessary. That's being appealed to the Supreme Court, but here we are. Sexist companies can in practice see the reality of sex and discriminate accordingly but the law is actively prevented from observing, acknowledging and compensating that reality.

Definitions matter a lot in practice. Don't be too quick to shrug about them being fudged or obfuscated.

The election results are pretty interesting and for me as a Scot a welcome change.

SNP have spent years telling us we all want independence and by voting for them that's what we will get (some do and some don't). The most recent policies of placing woman at risk of harm by insisting men can use there safe spaces has been the nail in the coffin add to that the corrupt financial management policies. Plus the failed Scottish Curriculum of Excellence which has seen a huge decline in educational standards.

My oldest child was one of the last kids educated in the older system and it was far better. The whole play based education system is nonsense which is hugely underfunded has left loads of kids with very poor behaviour in nursery and school as they can do as the please (your not meant to stop play so they struggle to learn to sit down, listen, focus and learn) and unable to read or write at age 7 any better than 5 year olds.

The Scottish government have made it so difficult for schools to exclude or suspend kids that currently in schools there are kids who are physically assaulting other kids on a daily basis, making discriminatory comments about disabilities and terrosing other kids to the point they are to scared to go to school but these bullies get away with it as schools have no recourse available and are told by the Scottish government they must encourage "positive behaviour policies"

ASN budgets have been decemitated in schools year on year. My children's school is an enhanced provision school with a significant number of children with high level of ASN needs in it. They get more and more kids but less staff.

I am hopeful as a Scot that things will change now that the SNP are not longer in sole charge

I'm disappointed. Labour won in my constituency but not by that much, compared to previous decades.
Delighted with the overall results though.

Secretly delighted to hear about a few of the prominent Tories who lost their seats. Does that make me a bad person?

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Are you actually kidding @Fordian ? That issue has been endlessly debated throughout the election campaign on Mumsnet with dozens and dozens of threads of its own. ENDLESSLY. It’s also taken over every single thread on other issues. It’s been farcical.

Serious question how will Reform go from 4 seats to winning the election in 5 years?

Well, remember Bozo and his 80 seat majority? When was that? And what's just happened?

@ToWhitToWhoo how can they protect us if they can't say what being a woman entails and means.. The definition is all.

GoldenBear - Reform and Conservaties join together. Looks like reform got 4 millon votes and got 4 seats. Lib Dems got 3.5 millon and got 71 seats...

By saying that ALL humans must have equal rights, and that no one must be deprived of a job, pay, reproductive rights, etc. on the grounds of some characteristic that makes them 'different'.

Feminists in the 70s and 80s sought to reduce the social distinctions between men and women, rather than emphasizing them. E,g, on a minor level using 'chairperson' instead of 'chairman' / 'chairwoman'.

Encourage politicians to 'define' me as a woman, and soon many of them will be seeking to define my role in life on the grounds of my sex.

Yes but we have FPTP area Reform now starting a campaign to change the electoral system? Equally, do you think that is what Conservative voters want to join together? If anything to win Conservative votes they lost in Home Counties etc. Remainers, they need to veer more to the centre not to more right wing!

Why didn’t Conservative Voters just vote Reform if that’s what they believed in? This is why I throw doubt on this idea. I know a few people who work in the City and they voted Labour or Lib Dems this time, last time they voted Conservative. You are not going to win back those votes with an extreme right wing Conservative party.

The Conservative candidate where I am didn't do at all well, which she accepted gracefully. I think this was due to an independent candidate doing exceptionally well, and not a reflection on her.
I wish her the very best for the future.

Lots of Labour voters leant their votes to the Lib Dems in the seats where Lib Dem was the tactical vote to beat the Tory.

The issue of Gaza hurt Labour in several seats. As did Owen Jones telling Labour voters to vote Green

But both Labour and Lib Dems concentrated resources locally where they could win and consequently have a very efficient vote.

The Greens did similarly but in fewer places.

Reform's campaign was so centred on Farage on tv it gave them a national spread.

God, if Owen Jones had said vote for Labour we would be completely stuffed! Not that I would do anything that little twerp suggested

@Tracker1234 Why do posters often criticise Owen Jones' body type/height? What does him being 'little' have to do with his political opinions?

@TheHereticalOne thank you so much for your and others wonderful help with shining a light on this topic.. One day it will be bigger than the post office scandal.