Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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10 days to go

I couldn't vote for Brexit because the Leave campaign in parts had been outwardly racist and I was not prepared to vote the same way as them. For me the same applies to Reform Ltd. Not everyone who supports Reform Ltd is necessarily particularly racist, but overall it is far too racist for me to consider voting for them. One is the company one keeps after all.

Of course they don't need to. I'm saying there is a lot for Labour to be beaten with a stick about once they are in because they are ignoring key issues. They are following Tory line of silence on so many things it is disconcerting.

People are expecting a lot from this change and I fear Labour will get accusations as the Libs did (when they had to share power) that change isn't happening fast enough, because the key areas are being ignored for policies that won't have huge impact. Obviously I see systemic issues not being addressed but on a real level the Reform lot will be picking holes when buildings collapse on newly trained teachers stuffed into a broken system.

I'm not denying they have a racism problem.
I'm saying some of their concerns are valid, and as with the Brexit vote, ignoring them doesn't help anyone.

I'm not talking about immigration - as I said I don't think things on that chart are what should be worried about in the least, it is what they have been told to worry about.

I'm going to go for a walk. I think I feel like I'm talking to a bit of an echo chamber for Labour whenever I voice any concerns, which usually I can overlook but for some reason this morning I'm getting frustrated.

If Reform stay the distance I will be surprised. I think it will be very superficial as it is now.

My guess is about 20 percent of the adult population would vote for them and their end of the pier English nationalism.

What narrative Labour have in government matters. They are in a position to do that. For the many, not the few. Keep acting, keep making the case.

Oddly I think so much depends on what is left of the Conservatives and what they do. And I think none of us have a clue on that.

Remember FWR realised MNHQ were asking Rishi questions about 3 days after it happened.

But lots of us have concerns about Labour even though we are voting that way to GTTO.

I don't think any of us are under any illusions how tough it will be going forward.

Glastonbury

https://x.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1806608668823076989

Thank you. I needed that, it was all getting a bit depressing.

The masks are really good!

Due to boundary changes I'm no longer in this constituency

inglesp.github.io/apogee/constituencies/E14001490/

But it explains Loathsomes cowardly exit, too much like hard work. Knowing the constituency a bit, if that goes red, the Tories are as they say, toast.

I was thinking on my dog walk that people are talking about it as if voters are voting on issues. Whereas I actually think it doesn't matter what the Conservatives policies say, since 2019 they have shown themselves to be corrupt, lying law breakers. Maybe that's a deal breaker for the majority of voters and they are getting punished at the ballot box.
In which case its not possible to read much into the voting other than "do what you say and don't break the law"

I saw them earlier. Told them that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 😂
I think I've annoyed a lot of people with my facts and logical arguments 😂

😂

Oops - that was for bigcoatlady and her predictions of fight starmergeddon liberals 😂

Your characterisation. They would say that they are concerned about women’s and girls’ rights to safety, privacy and dignity, and the safeguarding of children.

The regular sniping on here at women posting on FWR with perfectly legitimate reservations about the stance of a number of politicians (both on the left and on the right, but predominantly on the left) isn’t a good look.

The graph shows the issues that affect voting behaviour in order of importance. Why have you dropped in to shoot the messenger?

The "sniping" is not at posters with reasonable concerns. Many of us share those concerns.

My "sniping" personally is at the handful of posters who are absolutely vile to anyone not towing an ultra GC line. Having been on the receiving end a lot recently, it is deeply upsetting and unpleasant, as well as unnecessary.

A lot of posters on this thread avoid FWR because of it. I post there because I won't be bullied off (or because I'm stupid or have a chronic victim complex, who knows).

I agree with you @TaraTories .

We had the Reform campaign leaflet in the post yesterday. The only issue it mentions is migration - one wouldn't think the country has any other issues. I was tempted to drag my garden incinerator out onto the drive and publicly burn it.

I live in very mixed community - my neighbours are Iraqi, the shop keepers next to them are Pakistani, the family directly opposite are Somali, right round the corner is a Sikh Mandir. It is a very harmonious community. I find it genuinely distressing that Reform have a candidate here and worry that any success they have in the country just emboldens racists further - after the Brexit vote one of my friends, born in Britain of Indian ethnicity, was shouted at in the street & told to go home. It upset her and for a while her young daughter was scared to go out on her own.

The Tories with their hate peddling have a lot to answer for. I really think that no matter how Braverman, Patel, Sunak & Badenoch believe they are part of the British establishment and are thus immune, people in the Reform Party will see them exactly in the terms so vilely spoken of by that Farage campaigner in Clacton and they will reap the whirlwind they created.

I also think the BBC have a lot to answer for by giving Farage a platform for so many years.

Have you seen the way we are spoken to when we dare to express a view on FWR?

I have been called all sorts of names, been accused of being a TRA and of being a man. It is no wonder some of us are a bit spiky about FWR.

Many of us share concerns but aren't doing it from a place of hatred. There are many valid GC concerns which need to be sorted but the hatred and venom coupled with the denial of GC being transphobic at all means we all end up tarred with the same brush.

Same here, even when i express GC Views if I'm not extreme enough i'm apparently a handmaiden/a man/TRA.

Me too

A lot of FWR posters like to tell other posters they are womening wrong.

There is an excruciating clip from a "Pod Save The UK" last year where Yvette Cooper tells Nish Kumar that his is doing "being a minority" wrong. When you hear it you are 😮

really are the Farage one especially
Tara Tobee & Blossom 💐 hope you all feel a bit better very soon.
might cheer you up, I’m slightly off my face on strong painkillers at the moment & having very weird dreams, last night I dreamt I was out clubbing with Keir Starmer & he said don’t worry we will do everything & more that you & your friends on MN want us to do 😂

“Weak minded handmaiden” was this morning’s gem. I avoid FWR and any discussion elsewhere as far as possible but it’s on just about every political thread.