Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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I agree. Sunak is a nasty little bully. Starmer is simply too well mannered to 'yob' back at him. He's measured & thoughtful. I was pleased when he said (paraphrase) 'show some respect to the audience & let me answer the questions'

Just assume not sincere and thus fit to ignore. It’s so basic as rudeness that why bother if someone cannot even get to that level of civil exchange.

Very happy to pay more taxes if it means we can see a GP, not have to wait a year for hospital treatment, that our hospitals and schools aren't collapsing.

We already pay higher taxes under the Tories.

Some people know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

He's measured & thoughtful.

That's the KC training. Something ex banker Sunak patently never had to cultivate

YY, Why won't Keir or any questioners challenge this notion that high taxes and high welfare are evils??

True but some people in the audience appeared to barrack him for that.

*Keir

The Conservative calculation was actually we will pay £2000 over 4 years per household.

Even if you accept the Tory sums (bear in mind the IFS did not) that means for a household of 5 like ours for £100 each pa the Labour party will get waiting lists down to zero (that's the plan 2million appts a year for 4 years), set up GB energy to lower energy bills, recruit 6500 new teachers to teach our children how to spell Keir, nationalise the railways, set up a Border Command Force to tackle people smuggling, recruit more police and set up youth services to address antisocial behaviour. All whilst retaining fiscal discipline so borrowing doesn't increase and we don't commit to uncosted spending pledges.

Fucking bargain. I'll take that over unfunded plans to abolish NI, place a triple lock + on pensions and continue to have a raised stamp duty threshold for first time buyers which just generates house price inflation in the SE.

Personally I’m okay with that if I can see a GP or dentist and my road isn’t littered with potholes that are more akin to sink holes. You get what you pay for.

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1806068008407683294

Who do BBC debate viewers think came across as more...

Trustworthy: Sunak 39% / Starmer 50%
Likeable: Sunak 33% / Starmer 52%
In touch: Sunak 18% / Starmer 63%
Prime Ministerial: Sunak 41% / Starmer 42%

Totally. It works out about £42 per month per household.

Bring it on.

I do wonder what the definition of Prime Ministerial is.

Who do BBC debate viewers performed better on...

Immigration: Sunak 55% / Starmer 35%
Economy: Sunak 43% / Starmer 47%
Welfare: Sunak 39% / Starmer 51%
Britain's relationship with the EU: Sunak 32% / Starmer 52%
Tax: Sunak 48% / Starmer 37%

That is a good point

The Tory bots on Twiitter have Jimmy Saville (spelt that way) trending at the moment..

Pathetic.

Sunak chasing the Reform vote - all the references to surrender. It will have been done to shore up the Conservative vote that is otherwise thinking that the Conservatives have lost on immigration and Nigel Farage has a point.

@sundaysathome

The Office for Budget Responsibility says the Tories plan to increase taxes to 37.1 per cent of GDP by 2028/29. So the 0.6-point increase works out at £20 billion more tax raised in that year than if the tax/GDP ratio (below) had stayed flat.

Add up all four years (as the Tories did for their Labour calculation) and you end up with a £320 rise in year one, £620 in year two, £930 in year three and £1,150 in the final year. So a sum of £3,020 per working household. Except this would be just as misleading as the £2,000 figure that Sunak used so often in the debate last night.

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He's being voted in as a least worst option. He'll be a short term disastrous tenant in no.10.

Short term tennant eh? Can't be as bad as Truss. Or Johnson. Or May. Or Sunak.

be careful what you wish for. Let's revisit this thread in 6 months and see how the experiment is going....

5 years is not short term! I think Labour will have two terms. Maybe Angela Rayner will be PM for term two. That would raise some hackles 😍

Oh well we'll just stick with the morally bankrupt lot who are grinding the country into the dirt then shall we?

Maybe Angela Rayner will be PM for term two

I would absolutely love that!

So was 2019 an 'experiment'? 2017? 2015? Or is it only when Labour gains a majority- if they do - that it is an experiment.
Really fail to see how any Conservative voter can moan given the terrible shower they've voted in over the last 14 years.