Is Reform as bad as the BNP?

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Off the back of another thread, how does Reform compare to the BNP? I loathe Farage and haven’t taken much notice of his manifesto (contract!) as I don’t want his nonsense in my head, but DM keeps telling me what’s ‘good’ about him. She has previous form for voting UKIP and thinking Johnson was much maligned and a generally nice chap. She reads the Heil every day, so I generally let discussions about politics go over my head otherwise I’d lose my cool.

It’s the same brand different name

He doesn’t want power! He just enjoys disrupting….
I heard a commentator say recently that Farage wants responsibility as much as he wants a vegan cigarette 😂
But he’s the ultimate populist - tells everyone there’s an easy answer, so they want to believe him.
The multimillionaire hedge fund trader who speaks for the ordinary man haha
The man who marries a European woman and wants to ban anyone else from getting a passport if they marry here?

It's like saying is momentum as bad as stalin. No I don't think so but I think as People, groups move from kite central policy of course right on the fringes you get the extreme ( nutters).

Left, and right.

One difference: the BNP was legally structured as a political party. Reform is legally structured as a private company of which Farage is a director. So while the BNP was hugely centralised and undemocratic, members could still elect or deselect the leader. In reform Farage literally owns and runs the party and can legally I believe take profit from it, and there are no democratic mechanisms in place at all. Such a man of the people leading this 'populist movement'. It's a grift, pure and simple

Apart from the fact that the EU was anything other than undemocratic, and didn't do any damage to UK political freedom or economic interests, he was absolutely right.

Don’t worry I do. Alongside any media that gave Farage more airtime than he should have got because saying something controversial increases ratings and any form of ‘balance’ that just involves reporting both arguments rather than actually reporting on which argument is actually true.

So it’s pretty much as I thought. Thank you to everyone who has saved me giving him extra clicks while googling.

I don't think Reform is as extreme as the BMP.
His responses are very different from Starmer, Rishi and Davey, he seems less rehearsed.

I though it was interesting he pointed out that we're' skint and might need to so something about paying £250M a day in interest payments, they other parties are ignoring the elephant in the room.

This is going to be an interesting result to say the least, my prediction is Labour will win a majority, the Tories will take a massive pasting and Reform will get lot of support.

Far worse than the BNP. Snake oil salesmen, every one.

a charismatic one at that

Absolutely why he's dangerous. He has a way of sounding credible even when he talks complete bollocks. Hitler was also charismatic, and that didn't go so well.

Exactly this. I’ve always felt Farage is very good at feeling the way the wind is blowing in terms of fitting his narrative to serve himself. He’s good at presenting himself as much more acceptable than the BNP. I can’t decide how truly he’s wedded to his principles or how far they go, but he’s worryingly good at exploiting the ‘populist’ agenda at any given moment. I don’t think he’s quite as hard right as Nick Griffin et al but it could just be that in order to make himself acceptable enough to appear on a ballot paper he pretends to have an interest in broader policies. TBH I haven’t felt the need to dig any deeper or fill my head with him, so I hope the next election doesn’t alter that.

Took his full pension and prob all the claims he was entitled to. Had to be some perks to ease his suffering so we didn't have to

Same shit, different shovel imo

😂

I don't think there is much danger of Reform this time around as they are just picking up disenfranchised Conservative votes that Labour and Lib Dem haven't.

In a way, I would prefer that he did finally become an MP as he would be held to account and not allowed to just spout drivel. There are many in parliament who are intellectually superior to him and will give him a very hard time. Look at what James O'Brien has done to him in several radio interviews.

Pedallleur · Today 20:36
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 20:14

Far worse than the BNP. Snake oil salesmen, every one.

Same shit, different shovel imo

Yep.. That’s a very fair way of putting it 😁

@HappiestSleeping I was just about to say this. I actually hope the fucker gets voted in, as he might finally be held accountable for the absolute shite he speaks. He is a vile, vile human being but the longer he's allowed to just speak this crap without being challenged, the worse it gets. He basically a massive racist and sorry, so are his supporters (no matter how much it's tried to be sweetened up by him "just saying it like it is" etc etc

@Paxxx Sorry, it's going to be a while before I stopped laughing at the words 'Legal Aid' and 'gravy train' being used in the same sentence 🤣😂🤣

Now you mention it, it would be enjoyable to see him intellectually skewered in public. Just debating whether that’s enough to offset seeing his smirk if he got in. The UKIP hype never really came to much.

The acceptable face of…yes.

Its blatantly obvious. Anyone who says not is either being disingenuous or a bit dense.

Re : being held accountable, doesn't the eu parliament hold meps accountable?

Can't bare farage, it's just ukip with a new name. Although I do agree with one of their points, anyone who votes for them loses my respect.

Yes

I personally feel that BNP, ukip, brexit party and reform are all pretty much same party, same values but different name.