Is Reform as bad as the BNP?

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Off the back of another thread, how does Reform compare to the BNP? I loathe Farage and haven’t taken much notice of his manifesto (contract!) as I don’t want his nonsense in my head, but DM keeps telling me what’s ‘good’ about him. She has previous form for voting UKIP and thinking Johnson was much maligned and a generally nice chap. She reads the Heil every day, so I generally let discussions about politics go over my head otherwise I’d lose my cool.

To PP: I saw Farage’s leaving EU speech and thought it was very good. He wasn’t one of the Eurocrats there and that was a breath of fresh air. He really did try to stand up for British rights against German and French political interests (including HS2 white elephant, the diesel an electric car debacle). I totally salute him for his bravery and courage in fact, especially against the tirade of virtue-signalling personal insults (rather than political argument). He is single-handedly responsible almost for getting us out of the politically undemocratic EU. However, I feel this country is sadly lost lost lost, probably too late. Gullible neo-liberals have taken over the whole political and general social infrastructure and we have lost both freedom and a sense of reality, as well as social and community respect. The “scrotes have won”, whether Tory or Labour, it makes no odds.

A good many BNP members went on to UKIP. Oh, and where has Refom come from? You guessed it. UKIP 🤦‍♂️

I loathe Farage and Reform but they are not as bad as the BNP. The BNP’s policies included forced sterilisation of people with disabilities and the “repatriation” of black people. I dare say some Reform voters hold these views but certainly not the majority.

That said, I think Farage is appalling- he exploits people’s (IMO misplaced) concerns around immigration and presents what are fairly extreme political views as being actually a sort of sensible centre ground- “what most people think” in a way that’s deeply harmful. He’s also a Putin shill and I dare say in his dream world he’d bring in policies far more horrifying than the Reform position. But Reform are not the BNP and I think it’s unhelpful to blur the distinction.

He literally was one of the Eurocrats there.

This. UKIP took the BNP members and voters, then became Brexit party and now reform. They aren’t like the bnp they essentially are the bnp. Albeit with a front that tries to disguise that to appeal to voters that would never have voted BNP.

And saying that you don’t admire Putin as a person doesn’t make the quote any better. Especially if you are also spouting Russian disinformation.

Shouldn't take long. They're on the back of beer mats

It's not like the BNP, members could oust their "party" leader, Reform subscribers can't. Will the ex-BNP supporters in the Patriotic Alternative, British Democratic Party & the Conservative Party vote for them? Of course they will.

His plans to limit immigration are ludicrous, not reasonable. They'll exacerbate our problems in social care, the NHS, in HE and in science & innovation.

Farage is a chancer, he's gone from wanting to abolish the NHS to pretending he knows how to save it, from wanting asylum seekers left to drown to claiming he wants to welcome those most in need. Only an idiot or a shit would vote for him, especially after the Brexit lies he sold half the country.

Well. No. He was there to publicise the undemocratic nature of the EU project and the damage it did to UK political freedom and economic interests. That was his declared mission. And once it was resolved, he left!

Whoever kicks out all the illegals, gets a grip on law and order and puts British people first will get my vote.
And if anyone doesn't like that, we'll who the the fuck cares 🤣🤣

I know enough about Farage to know I don’t need his manifesto in my head. Did you miss my follow up post where I said I used to work in government, pre-children? So in terms of the main parties I consider myself reasonably well informed.

Edited for typos.

Eurocrat
/ˈjʊərə(ʊ)krat/
nounderogatory•informal
noun: Eurocrat; plural noun: Eurocrats
a bureaucrat in the administration of the European Union.

He was an MEP. A Eurocrat.

The reform manifesto is the one I have read. Wouldn’t bother if I were you.

The thing is though, he wouldn't actually do any of that will he.
He did nothing as an MEP.
He's a talker not a do-er. The man's MO is to grift and agitate, not to actually do anything himself.

He didn’t really have a choice about leaving after he’d managed to get the country to vote for the biggest act of economics self harm in history.

He didn’t really have a choice about leaving after he’d managed to get the country to vote for the biggest act of economics self harm in history.

Yes I made that mistake too, no big surprises in there that’s for sure!

@Sirzy @RafaistheKingofClay this is what I feel! Fortunately my voting choice is pretty clear cut here (Tory/Lib Dem) so I don’t need to take time to be unsurprised at what is and isn’t in the small print. Subscription though? What fresh hell?

@Iwasafool Same here. I can't stand the sound of Farage lying, smarmy voice. Nor am I over Brexit either and never will be. I'm a member of the rejoin alliances. The matter hasn't gone away or ever will. Much going on behind the scenes unless you're involved, you won't know. Remain became rejoin after Brexit. It's work in progress to build to the next referendum. Probably into the 2nd term of a labour government

Oh please let this be true.

I think Reform UK has stronger connections to the Kremlin than BNP.

Oh well that’s fine then 😵‍💫

Farage is a keen disciple of Trump and has used his strategies to get lots of column inches for Reform. He has repackaged right wing conservatism for the people who think Rishi and the like are too left wing.