Thread 50 Sunak: Civil war, what civil war?

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Just over 2 weeks to go

Am away at a festival for a few days, but I have been reading Rory Stewart’s book “Politics on the Edge”. I would thoroughly recommend it, certainly eye opening went on behind the scenes during these last few turbulent years with the changes of PM and Brexit

I’ve just done the long version of the Vote for Policies thing. Not. Entirely unexpected, though I think it’s skewed a bit towards Plaid because it was easy to recognise their policies (mentions of Wales and the Senedd). Would have been better if that had been scrubbed from the policy suggestions as it distracted me and made it hard to be objective!

So the wife of Chris Philp, the Policing Minister, is being sued in the high court over allegations of corporate espionage...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/19/policing-ministers-wife-reported-to-cps-over-corporate-espionage-claims

God yes. I could stay cheerful for YEARS on just one shot of that

More corruption.

Tory MPs paid £100,000 of public funds to party’s in-house web designers
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/23/tory-mps-paid-100000-of-public-funds-to-partys-in-house-web-designers

Immaturity ?

In 2010 the Lib dems were very much the grown ups in the room. They put country before party and committed to a written coalition deal that provided clarity and stability which is what all good government is built on.

Make no mistake about it, Dinky Dave Catastrophe Cameron would have been delighted with an opaque C&S arrangement where the Tories could repeated shaft the LibDems.

And by the way, we got two enormous concessions from the Tories in return.

So very sorry about tuition fees - it's a bummer being a very junior partner. But FFS grow up.

Also it's emerged just how much the LibDems did rein in the natural cruelty of the Tories. They did us a solid.

The Tories have been getting away with robbing the country blind for so long they think they can get away with anything.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/will-britain-rejoin-eu-reverse-brexit-youth-vote-support-377485/

I have heard that argument too. It is playing with fire 🔥 I think.

Got 55% LD
23% green
22% labour
Interesting!

Scammers got to scam

I hope we have another referendum before I die. I’d love to go and vote for Brerenter.

Oh God, no. Not another Referendum. We are not built for them. Let other, maturer, countries do them.

Stick it in a manifesto and let us vote. (thanks L/Ds).

There would have to be another referendum. No matter how undesirable that might be there’s no way round it. I imagine the young people who didn’t get to vote in the last one would demand it. It’s too important to mix up with general policies in a manifesto.

Certainly in my mind it attracted me to them as a clear indication of where Libs would be moving to. As we have said other parties are playing dumb still stifled by the brutes even though we now even have Farage admitting it hasn't worked. I don't want another party shoving everything under the carpet.

Headlines from The Telegraph forecasting End Times

.https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1804607344208232768

I suppose the next time around people will have had direct experience of the mess. But I think we'd be back to a whole load of absolute bollocks from certain politicians and media. And it would suck the life out of government yet again.

Not even Waitrose is safe!

Not even Waitrose is safe!

Fancy the Telegraph blaming the media for turning people against the Conservatives. It's not like the absolute horlicks they've made of the last 14 years has anything to do with it.

Haha x post.

Well this is a turn up. A woman who became a billionaire from her merchandising rights over books about wizards is endorsing the CPGB https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1804592902167019897 a party in favour of abolishing the monarchy and HoL, establishing a unicameral parliament, and as an internationalist movement opposed to Scots, and Welsh nationalism.

Obviously she's entitled to vote how she wants etc, but it's not making the FWR lot look any less mad...

I'm a bit bemused by the Communists? What specifically Communist ideological belief is rooted in their ideas about gender?

Presumably JK favours them over SDP or POW because of their anti independence noises.

One thing a decently strong government that wanted to could do is setup a Royal Commission into the whole subject of how referenda should be integrated into the UKs alleged parliamentary democracy. Possible agenda items:

1. purpose of referendum - a fundamental reason why parliament is abdicating it's role. To my mind the only real reason is a proposal that would remove established rights from UK subjects.

2. "What does success look like" ? The requirements before polling that are required to allow the proposal to continue. Here a clear supermajority - the OG flavour - would be useful.

3. A clear shelf life for the outcome. Ideally before the next election. This would prevent successive governments "storing up" referenda like nectar points at Christmas.

4. A clear machinery that makes it crystal clear the result is never binding on a parliament that is supreme. If a government choses to ignore the results. then they can face the electorate in the next election. Politicians don't get to make promises that break parliament (hard state at the pig fucker).

5. The whole procedure is overseen by the electoral commission. Who will have the power to abort the vote if people try to be clever (anther hard stare for the porcine porker there).

Hopefully these would all be theoretical and never needed. But as we know, you never can tell.

I think it's fairly clear her endorsement is based on their tweeted statement and not considering their entire platform as the idea that they both reject all our existing political structures as undemocratic but treat Cass as authoritative is frankly hilarious.

The communist movement is historically quite conservative on both women's rights and gay rights, it's not surprising they take an old fashioned line on gender. The idea of transitioning gender undermines the ability of the collective to organize community life in particular ways. If you think about the whole acceptance of gay rights we have enjoyed in recent years us really hinged in gay people behaving like straight people and conforming to structures like marriage. Trans people are doubly subversive in their behaviour and any authoritarian body, whether religious or political is going to struggle with them.

Yes, that makes sense.

JKR has always tried to subvert the SNP and independence too, though. Originally, by campaigning for Labour, then undermining Sturgeon, and then full on attack.