Thread 50 Sunak: Civil war, what civil war?

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Just over 2 weeks to go

I hadn’t started on the fact that we are going to need more immigration to deal with it.

There is a paragraph on social care. There will be a national inquiry. Because that’s actually what we need. Another inquiry. Not more money, beds and staff.

I think the questions for Sunak thread people are being very restrained.

I'm tempted to ask which private A&E he plans on using but worried it would come across as a threat...

I think - echoing myself - the Tories election campaign is basically the political version of Spinal Tap.

I'm just waiting for "Puppet Show & The Conservative Party" on a bill and can die happy.

Farage on Panorama is a disgrace!

That sentence would work very well without “on Panorama”.

Anything in particular or just general twattishness?

This?

"Nigel Farage has said the West "provoked" Russia's invasion of Ukraine by expanding the European Union and Nato military alliance eastwards. "

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo

Not a surprise from Farage - this is the overlap between far right & far left.

Amongst other general twatishness.

Former pop singer Holly Balance has given a whopping donation to Reform according to Chris Mason. Surreal!

They've been very cosy for a long time - many photos of her, Nick Candy, Trump & Farage at Mar-a-Lago.

"Valance, 41, and her property tycoon husband, Nick Candy, 51, are increasingly influential in British and American politics. The couple’s recent social life reads like a Who’s Who of the populist right. They have stayed with Donald Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort, attended Liz Truss’s “PopCon” convention for rightwing conservatives and made frequent visits with close friends Boris and Carrie Johnson.
Valance is credited with encouraging Farage to stand for MP and said she had been “whispering in his ear for a long time”.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/15/its-a-holly-party-how-valance-rose-to-become-reform-uk-royalty

She's an idiot and/or a grifter. Very disappointing because her jive with Artem on strictly was one of my favourite dances ever 😂

Fucking hell, Farage and the rest of the Putin apologists really are scum who should think very hard before they open their mouths.

Why are they still being given a platform to spread this disinformation? It's disgraceful.

Are people really so stupid that they place their vote on the basis of some dumb bimbo who has been given a recording contract because she looks quite nice?

I remember the headlines about Corbyn whenever he said things that were "controversial" in the eyes of others.

I wonder if the right wing media will try to do the same for Farage - especially with regards to his Ukraine / Russia comments.

Or is it one rule for Corbyn, another for Farage?

Wow you learn something every day!

Farage, normally has proved to be quite a good judge of that part of the electorate that feels as though it has a grievance that has appears to them to have been ignored by the main parties for years.

Has he shot himself in the foot with these remarks? I am struggling to imagine that the typical Reform voter will be amused by the thought that the company they support is in bed with Putin.

I looked at uk polling done in jan 24, around 13% think sanctions should be lifted against Russia, 10% think Ukraine should give up territory!!
amazingly, 49% think Ukraine shouldn't join NATO.

Plenty of Reform voters think similarly to Farage and even if they don't will still vote for these people, just as Trump can do no wrong either.

My own view is the wrong person died in that plane crash.

There are some that will vote for him no matter what, but I would have thought that those Tories who were perhaps wavering, might decide to stay home or vote Blue now?
I don't think that Farage needed to say anything on Ukraine, it seems odd to me to risk saying what he said and losing votes as a result.

The person I know who got sucked in by conspiracy theories and fell into a Trumpist echo chamber would absolutely agree with Farage on this. This is why I feel that they are not the person that they were 10 years ago, they have been fed a diet of supremacist rubbish. It started to get better when the sites were being banned, but they are all back up and in full swing with the presidential election in full swing.

The narrative is worrying- the West is bad, Russia is good, apart from the areas that want to be Russian and Ukraine are destroying, Ukraine is absolutely carrying on as normal. Its a definite them and us narrative and thousands are buying in to it.

He is merely feeding them bile and they are lapping it up. The Reform supporters will be fully behind his vile comments. I really hope they get very few seats, but then it will be all about the list/missing/stolen votes. They will find the person with no ID and claim they couldn't vote because it was known in advance they were going to vote for Reform. It will be the same bullshit that Trump pulled in the last presidential election. This is our democracy under attack and the media are cheering it on everytime they give Reform airtime. Who are reforms backers?

Excellent post and exactly why Farage and Reform are dangerous.

Many years ago, in my chequered career, I worked for a nationalised (well it was when i started 😀) industry that was the worlds leader in it's science and engineering. As a result it earned some hard cash using it's experts (the sort of people where 2 in a room have an average doctorate count of 3) abroad,

As luck would have it, I met one who was one a few weeks break from working in Russia (then part of the USSR). His most striking impression was how radically - and I mean radically - different Russian science was to Western science. And how it really affected what they did and how they did it.

A case in hand was his specialism - geology of underground oil and gas. Apparently it was an accepted fact in Russia that the earth had a trapped layer f methane under the crust that enveloped the earth. He didn't know why they thought this as it was all in Russian. But it was a fundamental difference.

I have often remembered that as we moved forwards.

Quisling. His supporters had better wake up before we all have to pay for their stultifying ignorance.

Just googled that. Looks like it could in fact be true and also like Russia were ahead of western science
https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2004-09-inexhaustible-source-energy-methane-deep.amp

Nice European insult there !