19 year old missing.

[ImNotGivingAwayMyShot]

I haven't seen any posts on this although I may have missed it.

A 19 year old boy has gone missing while on holiday with friends in Tenerife. No phone battery and has not been heard from since 8am yesterday.

I cannot stop thinking about him and his family. I have a son the same age who was due to go abroad with his friends for the first time last week but plans were cancelled last minute and now I feel like I never want him to go anywhere!

I'm not sure the point in me posting this as no one will know what has happened, I guess I just can't help thinking what if he was my son?

I am praying he is okay. My heart absolutely breaks for his Mum who has traveled there this morning.

I will not be giving money to criminals, some of you here are incredibly gullible, I do not wish people dead but I am also not a mug either. Some talking about this man like he’s a child he is an adult, I’m wondering who the people are who keep mentioning the Go Fund me, people with a vested interest?

We know the male brain in particular isn't fully formed until (25)

I thought that remained a hypothesis, @Jobsharenightmare, but anyway it seems we're behind the times - apparently the Mayo Clinic's produced another one suggesting it doesn't happen until 30

I'm only waiting for the next extension, which will suit those opposed to the concept of consequences just fine

Had to smile about the restricted passports/driving licences until 25 though; good luck getting that through among those who'd happily grab onto the "It wasn't my fault, my brain's not developed" when it suits but insist they're fully mature when it doesn't

I don't know what part he took in that attack, what it was about etc etc so I really can't judge

Edited to add that fortunately we don't need to, @Hoglet70 ... the guy in the wig who was in possession of all the facts has already done it for us, and his summing up made revealing reading

I mentioned it because I find it really strange, and a bit dodgy!

But don’t you understand that just by mentioning it you are putting the idea into gullible people’s minds that maybe they should be contributing money into it?

When really - he won’t be found or not found based on raising enough money.

Exactly this. Blaming the 'undeveloped brain of a teenager' for what this lad and his mates did to that other boy is utterly reprehensible. I have DC (now late 20s) and they have a lot of friends around the same age.

Inexplicably every single ONE of them managed to sail through their teens without any violent, aggressive attacks against anyone, getting into drugs, or fights, or smoking weed, or carrying knives, or assaulting anyone, or stealing. @Jobsharenightmare as a pp said, stop excusing the behaviour 'because he is a teenager.' What an absolute gross insult to other MILLIONS of lovely, well behaved, law abiding teenagers.

And don't waste your time calling me a smug fucker who thinks my DC and their friends are all soooo perfect, because I know. I AM a smug fucker who is very proud of the job I did raising my DC, and am delighted and proud at how they have turned out. I have a right to be proud and 'smug' and I am.

If they wanted to raise funds to find him they should have started a fundraising page for the Tenerife search and rescue.

I presume the lad had travel insurance which would cover repatriation. So why start a fundraiser?

This bullshit needs countering every single time its posted

All human brains have a level of elasticity in function until around early to mid 20s. There is an evolutionary reason for this, it means that younger people (who are more physically active, or were in previous times/thousands of years ago) are more likely to be able to take flexible decisions, take more risks, be more adaptable, serving their community and society because of that

It does not mean and has never meant that young people cant make decisions, cant function, dont know what they're doing, shouldnt or cant understand consequences, cant stand on their own two feet.

Stop with this nonsense as a justification for young adults not being able to know whether attacking someone or taking some drugs is a 'good thing' or a 'bad thing'.

Lucy has already complained about how crap the Spanish police are and that some of them don’t even speak English. She is an idiot, who perhaps should be able to speak to them in Spanish since she is in Spain after all.

Exactly this. ^

Yes, everything about this young gentleman screams travel insurance.

Who are all those people giving money to them, I mean why..?

You really think he had travel insurance? Somehow I don’t think he was clever enough to bother.

But don't you understand that by mentioning it it draws attention to how odd the whole thing is?

Different opinions on the same thing.

No I don’t, I think it’s better no one draws attention to it.

Opinion. Each to their own.

I presume the lad had travel insurance which would cover repatriation. So why start a fundraiser?

I wouldn't want to presume anything, but perhaps those who started it just saw an opportunity?

Maybe it gives some donors the chance to feel they've "done something" to put on their SM feeds, but it could almost be seen as a business building leg-up ... after all £30k could buy a fair amount of drugs to be sold at a profit

I think assuming he had travel insurance is a big leap. I suspect a lot of youngsters just book a flight and go. It's only when you're older you have responsibilities and are more likely to stop/think that the risks dawn.

Also a lot of policies will have exclusions for stuff done while drunk/drugged or just risky. I've had to check that walking mountain trails was covered.

Whether those apply to treatment rather than repatriation of a body is another question.

I think assuming he had travel insurance is a big leap

So do I, @Bromptotoo, which is another reason I suggested that presuming might be unwise

And yes, that's a valid point about exclusions if someone's drunk or drugged ...

Typo

Perish the thought that some of us who have been less than complimentary towards Jay Slater might be just a little chavvy ourselves. People like that are often not very popular in the working class communities that have to put up with them.

FWIW I have an annual policy so don't have to think about insurance every time I go away, but depending on how the holiday's bought don't providers still push insurance when you book?

It used to be only a small amount tacked on for brief, bog standard cover and was almost harder not to accept it, but maybe that's changed?

Exactly. Nobody likes violent people (except their mothers and friends), it's not a matter of class.

Lots of interesting comments on the Facebook group ‘Jay Slater Discussions and Theories’……

@ImNotGivingAwayMyShot funny you mentioned that- I was very concerned it might be the same young man as that was Tenerife too and going with a girl-

@BeefBrisket and @SocoBateVira so fucking insincere. Yes it is a matter of class. I have always lived on council estates in deprived areas and of course nasty little shits are unpopular. It's got fuck all to do with the very obvious bubbling undercurrent of classism on these threads. The glee at the opportunity spew your nasty little opinions and use that word.

Don't pretend that this site isn't very middle class and that chav/chavvy isn't used constantly as a descriptor for whatever MNers see as beneath them socially.