Thread 4 - Michael Mosley

[Aquarius1234]

Body found and identified.

I think that's the part that upsets me..if that fence hadn't have been there,he wouldn't have wasted the time he did trying to find a way through.. and who really knows if he could have been saved? At least he may have been with others at the end and found some hope.
It's the fact the cctv captured his last moments so we DO know and its upsetting.
I too, find myself thinking about this a lot(and other upsetting cases, especially children)

I don’t think you can blame the fence …

'Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Now he has been found and it’s known that he was captured on CCTV shortly before he died, it’s easy to say that that footage should have been found much earlier. But we have no idea how many hours of CCTV footage covered the period he was missing over the whole island.'

They said at the start it is a tiny island with minimal cctv so of course the minimal footage that was available should have been viewed promptly.

'It doesn't really matter now as either way as it wouldn't have changed the outcome'

No, but it would have prevented days of suffering for his family and his body would have been recovered quicker and a pm would have been more conclusive.

I don't think anyone is blaming the fence merely pointing out what a stupid massive perimeter fence to have in place and if it wasn't there he may have been able to alert someone.

I think I read the fence was to prevent goats going onto the property, which seems fair enough. Was it confirmed that he felt ill and that's why he left early? Or was he going on a planned walk?

Neither have been confirmed, just what his wife said about him going for a walk.

If the fence is there to prevent animals wandering onto the property that seems reasonable. In terms of risk assessment, it would never have occurred to anyone that one day someone with heatstroke on the hillside might need quick access to help and therefore they shouldn’t have a fence there.

I read that the fence was also to prevent rock slides, so it's probably a bit of everything. It obviously has a purpose, you wouldn't bring all those materials over to a tiny island for fun.

Re: the employees not searching the perimeter - the bar manager said there were helicopters hovering over that exact spot every day since the search began. Firefighters had searched nearby the day before.

If he'd been further away from the fence, he might have been easier to spot. He was almost right up against the base of it, surrounded by rocks. Without getting too graphic, his body changed colour over the course of the 5 days, so it was probably easier to spot after a certain point.

@MattDamon I have wondered if it depended on the time of day/position of the sun and location of the searchers as he was finally spotted in the early morning by the glint off his watch from quite a distance away

At other times he might as you say have been in deep shadow

'Re: the employees not searching the perimeter - the bar manager said there were helicopters hovering over that exact spot every day since the search began. Firefighters had searched nearby the day before.'

They were over the other side for 2 days thinking he was lost between St Nicholas beach and Pedri before someone could be arsed to veiw their cctv and saw oh no hang on he got as far as Pedri. So they'd looked in the wrong place for 2 days!

When/if they have an inquiry into the investigation let's hope lessons are learnt and an immediate forensic scouring of footage is top of their list regardless of who is having a siesta or if a venue is shut.

@MattDamon that is too graphic and unnecessary I'd ask for it to be removed. Apparently the sunlight on his watch caught someone's attention.

It's also important that he was found face-up.

If he collapsed from heat exhaustion you'd be sat, or face forward - being found face up to me would indicate he was already in severe distress, fell, and wasn't conscious even when he landed/rolled to a stop at the fence.

@Thisoldheartofmine @GreatOcean
I unfortunately saw the unblurred photo and it really looks like he intentionally laid out with his legs elevated. If he fell or collapsed he'd have been less neat but he was completely straight and legs neatly raised.

*@MattDamon that is too graphic and unnecessary I'd ask for it to be removed”.

I don’t agree. We’re all adults, so no need for the nannying @Janiie

Ah okay, this is something you may do to increase blood flow to your heart; I wonder if he did have symptoms?

But then why not seek help earlier...

Poor Micheal.

Surprised this thread is still going. Theres still loads of guesswork from the bbc about this wrong turning he took. Nobody knows he was aiming for the beach bar in the first place. He may have been planning on doing the circular route all the way back to Symi. Sure, he ended up aiming for it but we'll never know his intentions.

*Ah okay, this is something you may do to increase blood flow to your heart; I wonder if he did have symptoms?

But then why not seek help earlier*

Earlier than what? He appears to have been lost, having taken the long, difficult route and being unable to make it to the beach bar any earlier. His symptoms could have came on half way up the hill or at the top, we don't know. Or was he feeling ill and that's why he left his wife and friends to return home? And if so, odd they didn't accompany him.

@ducktapez this thread is still going because some have a distasteful appetite for picking over and speculating on a person's last movements.

It's a discussion forum. Of course people will continue to discuss.

I imagine events unfolded faster than he could react to them. The last sighting of him shows him walking with a long, confident stride.
Whatever happened, it all conspired against him, one thing after another.
Perhaps at the last, he thought he had reached safety and could afford to sit or lie down to gather himself. If it's true that he raised his feet on rocks as his medical training would have taught him, then the poignancy of that last act is unbearably sad.

'I'm too good for all this speculation, but I'm still going to monitor every post so I can point out how I'm above it all!'

Anyway...

The cameraman's positioning on the boat possibly meant he didn't have the glare off the rocks, so was able to see things that the helicopters directly above couldn't. It was fortunate he took the initiative to look closer.

And yet, here you are posting, therefore bumping the thread.

LOL i put one line in about how it was still going. The reason i typed that was because about 2 days ago I was called distasteful for still discussing it, hence im surprised people havent had it closed again given how bizarre the mods are at deleting threats (@Disturbia81 where did our one from last night go?!)

On topic, there isn;t any new news coming out now is there? BBC clutching at straws making stuff up.

Why put things like this though? They have categorically said he didn't fall and had no obvious injuries to substantiate a fall? So why say he was in severe distress and fell when there is absolutely no evidence of that at all?

If you're talking about him being face up, he could easily have sat down on a rock and slumped backwards after losing consciousness, it looks like his feet were higher than his body, but that could have naturally happened when he slumped back into the gap behind the rock he was on, or he could have intentionally lay down that way, either way it doesn't mean he fell.

It's not possible that he 'rolled to a stop at the fence' either, as he wasn't actually at the fence, but just away from it, in between some quite large rocks which dominate that whole landscape.. there's no real flat area there, even the paths are craggy and rocky.

I think them saying 'natural causes' just doesn't really help answer what happened; we know he sadly died and of course the heat must have had an effect, but it's whether there was something else (heart issue?).

From the reports it seems he was okay (walking well, didn't seek help) when he reached Pedi but within an hour, tragically dead.

I have no idea, maybe there was too much mansplaining going on and the thread combusted? 🤷🏻‍♀️