Thread 4 - Michael Mosley

[Aquarius1234]

Body found and identified.

I’m not sure why anyone would say he made the climb unless he’d said to her before leaving I’m going to climb that mountain over there for the view or similar? They couldn’t trace him with dogs so this comment must be from her prior knowledge of intent surely.

He was a 67 year old man, surely at 67 you have freedom of will, it is nothing to do with arrogance. The outcome is very tragic but adults who live in a liberal democracy are free to make all sorts of choices without approval from others. As an aside I’m sure there are some arrogant Southern Europeans.

@Chenecinquantecinq I misread your comment about his intention.

what I was trying to say is I think the road-side route to the Marina you mentioned is a different route to the path that goes part-way up the mountain.

I think (speculation based on what we know) he intended to take a path that went over the mountain, but the low-cal path -established and sign-posted - and not the high-cal path. Instead he probably took the wrong fork in the path and ended up on the high-cal path, going further up the mountain instead of down.

As for CB saying “he made the climb”, she was talking after the fact when it was known he’d definitely climbed the mountain. It doesn’t mean MM told her in advance he was going to do that.

Depends on likely risk and impact on others. I do think once there’s a high chance your actions would impact others then there needs to be some education. That’s why we have so many campaigns re water safety etc. These rescues are incredibly costly and in this case I particularly feel so as it was normal people without any training or support who were helping.

How is this known that he did climb though? Are you working purely off timescales? He may have been sat just out of cctv view feeling ill for an hour.

The irony - your posts are demonstrably arrogant.

If it was that hot his phone may have shut down as many iPhones do in extreme heat

It is in really poor taste to berate him and his actions so soon after his death.

I’m going off what is speculated and maps shown based on the CCTV of where he was last seen entering a path, and where he ended up.

The low-cal path would have taken him to the other side of the Marina.

He couldn’t have ended up where he did without climbing up and then down the mountain.

But educating people is just that, it is not dictating to people on what they do and when.

Yes which is why I mentioned Iceland and the information you are given when hiring a car etc. It is blindingly obvious stuff but it seems we need that when on holiday to prevent these tragedies as best we can.

The coroner said there are no injuries on his body so it's looking like he climbed down to the marina but collapsed on the wrong side of the fence. Had he managed to get around the bottom of the fence and further along, he would have been seen.

I'm so sad about this. he was one of the best people on TV.

I see that there are many holier than thou judges out bright and early this morning. So distasteful to judge and theorise and make assumptions left right and centre.

This happened, it was tragic no doubt about it, but the one thing I got from the awful event was that maybe now people will be more aware of the dangers of high temperatures in hot countries when not used to them. I've often thought that resorts could put a big banner up every morning in the breakfast area or reception with the projected temperatures for the day, and the dangerous things to do. Such as 39c today, stay indoors or in shade between x and y and drink plenty of fluids. Or something like that.

We all know that this will go off the headlines in a few days and we'll find something else to post about.

Yes, I agree it is in poor taste.

This actually happens in UAE and I’m sure other places possibly this information/warning is often on boards by the beaches each day often with real feel temp as people look at reported figs forget that’s in shade without humidity effect.

That's a very important point - that the temps we see on weather apps are taken in the shade, so the temps in full sun are much higher. That can lead to a false sense of "oh that's going to be a lovely day" when in fact it is tortuously hot in the sun.

Thanks for reminding me of that, I often forget that fact when going travelling and checking the weather beforehand.

A little ironic to go on about people being holier than thou when yesterday you were looking down on the actions of sunbathing Brits in Spain in a somewhat judgmental way. Saying that they reminded you of a “pig on a spit” and how it “just shows the natives know how to deal with the heat properly”…

Education about the heat is always good. But in this example, it may not have prevented a thing. Many people know the dangers of things but take calculated risks. He probably didn’t intend to stay out in the son as long as he did. And he wasn’t staying at a resort, like many don’t, so banners there would have been moot.

Indeed. I've walked in the midday sun when abroad, as have many. I used to live in the Middle East and people used to do runs/hashes etc in the desert. Everyone doesnt just stay indoors all day. He had a hat on, an umbrella for shade. It isn't as if he was hiking all day without any protection.

Yes of course a phone would've helped to find him but again, so would people actually looking at cctv in a timely manner.

This is where I got the info from. Few paragraphs down

www.indy100.com/news/the-abyss-symi-michael-mosley#

I never said they stay in all day and those running in desert aren’t tourists who’ve just stepped of a plane from a cool climate. I said there’s reminders around at beach etc.

This is so sad.

Plus I think questions are already being asked of the authorities, did they do enough?

Admittedly this is only an article in the sun! But :

QUESTIONS are being raised over why it took four days to find Dr Michael Mosley despite his body being just 100 yards from a beach resort.

It’s absurd we didn’t find him and questions will be asked.

“The CCTV cameras should have been checked much sooner and more quickly.
It was said that some of the search only started at midday, why? And stopped a lot because of the heat, before starting again. Surely they are used to such heat?

I don’t think criticism is fair necessarily. It’s a small island with limited resources and probably little to no experience of similar events. Again if you get seriously ill etc in a more remote holiday destination your standard of care will be limited to the resources available locally which may impact on your outcome.

Plus significant stretches of Norfolk, the Lake District, parts of the South coast, and…. Streatham in S London.

They had people over from Athens we were told of course they wouldn't be reliant on just island staff.

The cctv should have all been checked thoroughly on Thurs a.m and someone needs to explain why it wasn't. 'The shop/kiosk/restaurant was shut' surely doesn't suffice.