Thread 2 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Following on from thread 1, linked below.

Let's hope the CCTV / sighting in town gives a glimmer of home that he made the walk from the beach to town ok.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5090880-michael-moseley-missing-after-disappearing-on-holiday-walk?page=10&reply=135846185

It is now looking likely that he fell on a treacherous mountain path. It would be foolish to risk the rescue teams in the dark. I don't understand why they can't use the drones and helicopters at night though.

I think with lots of those organisations the volunteers are the experts, you probably know more about it if you've done it.

OK, I am off now, can all you experts find a cure for cancer and world peace when you have solved this case please?

'That's the funniest thing I have heard in weeks - heat-seeking camera's don't work in the day when it's hot...'

It was in response to a pp suggesting that they don't work if environmental temp is high I was merely suggesting well they certainly work at night as we all know from police helicopters. I don't think anything about this is funny tbh but lol away.

Wow, the number of armchair search and rescue experts expounding their insights here is phenomenal!
If only you'd get off your arses and direct operations in Greece instead of those completely incompetent people who are taking their own sweet time and doing it in their own sweet way.
No doubt you'd all have found him within 10 minutes

I'm really sorry to hear this @Beemoth . It must be so distressing for your family.

And it's why I hate threads like this.

I fully accept that people genuinely feel concern and interest, and know that it's human nature to discuss and speculate. But people don't seem to see the difference between face to face discussion and publishing their thoughts and speculations on an Internet forum.

A random thought or opinion voiced over a cup of coffee disappears. When it's shared online it reaches millions and stays forever. There's a difference.

I think it feeds the destructive culture of "opinions matter more than facts"

There are opinions on this thread about the actions of MM, his wife, friends, the man in the other cctv clip, the people searching etc etc. And all without knowing the facts of the situation.

I think it feeds the notion that if it's ok to speculate and comment on a person's life on a forum then it's ok to comment and speculate on a person's life on social media and leads to bullying.

I think sadly the most likely scenario is the one that has happened. He had been on the island a day when he disappeared so didnt yet know his way around, he is 67 years old in a heatwave. He has most likely taken a wrong turn gone up a steep rocky cliff and collapsed

I'm not sure how quickly a search would start for a fit and healthy 67 year old in the UK. I remember my 85 year old aunt going missing, she was frail with advanced dementia and it was December and very cold, the police were very apologetic but said they had no one available to look for her, not one person. I live 300 miles away so was a bit stuck, she was found by friends looking for her.

Nope but I tell you what if I was in charge of a team looking for a missing person of have checked cctv Wed not Fri.

There's a difference between caring about someone's disappearance and analysing and speculating to the th degree .
When things like this happen people treat it like some Poirot mystery to entertain themselves with. The fact of the matter is many people go missing and are found not far from where they went missing up to months later. Doesn't always have to be a massive conspiracy or plot

To those I upset with my comment, I apologise. My beloved husband has very recently died, and the fact that Mr Mosley’s family let him go home alone struck a nerve with me. I didn’t think it through before commenting.

and you know for certain, due to being in touch with the team that this didn't happen.

I grew up in the Scottish Highlands, and still have family there. When walkers go missing, as they often do, it can take days to find them. There are walkers who have gone missing who are never found.

I don't know Greece at all, but I've heard the same comments here from people who can't grasp that searching for a missing walker is difficult. Or people who think that the Highlands should be awash with hospitals or other medical provision.

Assuming they are doing the right things means you have just dumped your own critical thinking skills.

When did any police ever 'do the right thing' and be above criticism?

If it wasn't the case, why would they have hidden that cctv evidence?
Come on... you're trying to prove a negative.

Are they sometimes found alive?

Assuming you know better by sitting behind a screen and having no knowledge whatsoever of how things are being conducted on the actual ground is not just dumping your critical thinking skills, but unbelievably arrogant.

Agreed, I have browsed these threads and I don't think some people are concerned at all but actually quite "enjoying" the mystery. The investigation into bus timetables, drawing maps of possible routes, it's quite something.

Are you sure? I don't know, but I'd assume that since the air is over body temperature (40C), it would heat the ground to at least that during the day, so you wouldn't see a person hiding under something.

What really doesn't add up is why he went from leaving a beach due to feeling unwell, to undertaking an off-route hike for the "scenery"? A PP rightly mentioned beforehand that if you feel tired on the beach you just take a nap...he clearly felt so unwell he wanted to go back to the villa asap to rest. Even if the bus wasn't running, the logical thing when feeling unwell is to just take the shortest route following the road.

The unreleased CCTV images showing him going into the mountain path were quite obviously taken in the region of Irene Apartments Pedi, the last house on the far end of the bay. There seems to be one path or even road leading straight to a beach called Agia Marina, and a fork curving upwards but ends in a dead end. There is absolutely no vegetation whatsoever so it can't be difficult or expensive to do an aerial search with drones. It still makes very little sense why he would be going up a mountain path that is virtually opposite St Nicholas Beach (with such a small bay, he would have easily been able to see it), and thinking it would take him in the direction of Symi.

Another very speculative theory is that he may have realised he was on the wrong path, turned back and attempted a different route. There are several walking routes from Pedi to Symi south of the main road with trees and vegetation around. If he used one of those then the search would be in the wrong area again.

With an ambient temperature of 36 degrees un-shaded ground temperature reaches 60+ degrees and will take many hours to cool after the sun sets

Searching at night does not solve the issue

Similar problems arose last year searching for the lost French toddler [Emile] in heatwave conditions

I wouldn't say people are enjoying the mystery.

People always get interested in a missing person's case. They want the person to be found.

It's also something to talk about as it is the top news story.

I don't know why some people think that we shouldn't talks about news stories on here. That is what forums are for.

If you look at any other forum, they are also talking about this missing persons case

@WimbyAce some people have kindly drawn maps etc as the journalism connected to this story is abysmal as most journalism seems to be nowadays! It was very difficult to make sense of the reporting as it’s so confused.

I would assume the same thing. Surely they're seeking thermal images that will stand out from surrounding cooler areas?

Read about them!