Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Just that really. Will he be found?

My Mum is 70 and works around 45 hours a week as a carer, she has no intention of stopping any time soon either. I think it is relative.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cv22dz0w7k2o

I'm getting a bit miffed at the repeated ageism here TBH. I posted earlier about this too. Last week at age 67 I went from a cool 16d to 30d in Andalucia. On day two I walked 10k along a coastal path (paved and flat I admit). Not a bother on me at all. Hat, sunglasses, water and a couple of stops along the way as everyone else of all ages were doing.

Two days later I went on the trip around Caminito del Rey. Again, no problems. I'm back now and just back from my six monthly GP check up. All fine.

I have Atrial Fibrillation and gastric stuff going on, but that could apply to anyone of any age. I am not a gym bunny or a runner either, just a regular walker. I am sensible (I think!) and take good care when out and about. Anyone can trip and fall. Younger people are more prone to accidents I feel as they often think they are invincible and will take risks.

Just saying. I hope there is a good outcome for MM, but with hand on heart, it doesn't look promising does it?

The thing is by this point every possible route on symi will have been searched every path walked down as it’s not that big so it only remains he’s gone into the water

@Catstaps unless he hitched a ride & something went wrong. We had a very bad experience & some in hotel robbed in Greece after getting ‘cab’.

Complains about ageism, then is ageist in the latter part of the comment. God bless Mumsnet.

@guineverehadgreeneyes my comment was in relation to everyone arguing about if MM was too 'elderly' to cope with the walk. You can look back at my earlier posts if you want to know what I think about all the snarky shitty comments on this thread, especially aimed at MM and his wife.

@quizzys It's about assessing risk. It's not about assessing what happened to you personally, last week. You may feel that younger people are more at risk, but risk analysis doesn't operate around your feelings. The older you are, the more risky it becomes to be out in extreme heat, to be out on rocky terrain, to be in unfamiliar places, to be without your phone etc, even if you did just fine.

It is true that many younger people take risks such as driving at high speeds, going on speedboats, diving from cliff rocks, jumping between balconies on hols and so on. It is a fact, and I was young once.

It is not however true that once past the age of 60 folk are a danger to themselves and have one foot in the grave.

Agree about risk assessment. That is common sense but it doesn't mean that all over 60s are a danger to themselves and shouldn't be doing things either, which is what I am getting from some of the posts.

I suppose it's possible for someone to fall and roll into the water on the path pictured in the video

It is not relative. The risk of medical conditions increases as you age. There are not many carers giving physical care for 45 hours a week in a paid job at age 70. Most can no longer manage the pace of work.

Yes, it was definitely more steep down towards the water than I'd expected based on other accounts. Still hoping...🙏

Or he doesn’t wish to be found. Alternatively as you say he’s went into the water, either by accident or on purpose.

the fail has a strange slant going on, footage of a man in the same clothes, apart from different shorts, strikingly similar. Who they say they have seen the footage, but the wife says it’s not him. Clearly they all think it is. Talking to a woman at a bus stop.

Yes but unless big currents you’d find them close by.

Nobody's said that though, @quizzys. He put himself at higher risk by walking, unacclimatised to such heat, at his age, whilst feeling unwell, and with awareness of a heart condition.

That's just how it is. It's not a judgement. Everything we do has a risk, and we assess them all the time. He took an educated guess at risk assessment, and may have made a mistake. We've all done it.

But you are not making the distinction between a medical definition of "elederly' and a Tory government's economic decision to raise the pensionable age because they don't want to have to pay pensions to an ageing population, no matter what their state of health.

Youre missing the point. You're saying medical conditions increase as we age. We are not talking about medical conditions.

We are talking about him going for a walk.

We are saying that people at 67 are well able to go for a walk!

Ffs. You don’t know he was unwell. You’re going on gossip and neither do you know he’s a heart condition.

this is like Nicola Bulley. Did people learn nothing.

@Carly944 nobody is saying you can not go for a walk at 67 years of age. We are saying he had a heart condition and that heat stroke when you are older is more likely to happen. Both those things are known risks.
It may end up that he is not missing because of those risks, or they may be relevant to his disappearance,

But not necessarily people aged 67 who are used to living in the British climate, where temperatures rarely go higher than 30ºC even in the height of summer, and have arrived on a Mediterranean island where the temperatures are unusually hot even for there for June and where the locals have most probably been advised to stay in cool houses between the hours of 10.00am and 4.00pm. Do people not remember the number of "elderly" people who died in Paris some years ago because there was an exceptional heat wave and they were just not equipped for it?

If you're a bit miffed about the ageism, you might want to remove the aspersion against young people being risky.

Because if old people aren't automatically frail, then young people aren't automatically risky either.

There were some young lads playing a gentle game of football on the "wrong" bit of grass in the park the other day. The keeper's first response was to bellow at them in a way he never would have if they were old.

Ageism works all ways...

Anyway, I hope he's found safe.

I can't stop thinking about this.
Personally I'm wondering if he has had a TIA/ heart attack caused by extra exertion needed in the sun
His family must be beside themselves with worry, and my heart goes out to them

Heatstroke could affect anyone, even if they took precautions. It makes you delirious and disorientated very quickly, as your body starts to shut down, and could lead you to ramble off a path towards the sea.

You have just been ageist yourself?? 🙄