Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Just that really. Will he be found?

Nothing sadly. They are sending people into the sea to look now - (divers.) As no-one has found him on the tiny island in 2 days. I think if he was somewhere on the land, he would have been spotted by now.

I saw the path he walked on, on the side of the cliff, (on the lunchtime news,) and it's tiny and is also a pretty rough terrain, and it's right alongside the sea (but is elevated about 15-20 feet...) So if Michael felt a bit dizzy and woozy (because of the heat,) he may have fainted, and gone over the edge into the sea.

I really hope I am wrong, and that he is OK.

Praying for him and his family.

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So if Michael felt a bit dizzy and woozy (because of the heat,) he may have fainted, and gone over the edge into the sea.

Or may simply have tripped and lost his footing, having been a bit dazzled by the sun, on a large pebble/over some raised roots on the ground, something like that.

Its bizarre how posters on mumsnet always overestimate the health impacts of aging, whether in regard to pregnancy or short strolls in hot weather. Age will have an effect, but it will be nowhere near the risks of obesity or long term lack of exercise.

A 45 year old fit, slim woman is at FAR lower risks of complications in pregnancy than an obese 30 year old.

And a fit, slim 67 year old would be easily capable of walking 2km in hot sun.

@AInightingale I don’t think the path edges the sea that closely? If he were navigating path whilst holding an umbrella, effectively one handed you can see how a stumble more probable.

off topic but @Carly944 when the state pension was introduced, life expectancy was only 2 years greater than pension age. The concept of a happy enjoyable retirement is a relatively new and wealthy one, and probably something that will reverse with time as really it can only be possible when economies are growing apace.

Oh you do exaggerate! The vast majority of posters have something positive to say about MM and are just simply concerned, as any decent human would be.

"off topic but @Carly944 when the state pension was introduced, life expectancy was only 2 years greater than pension age. The concept of a happy enjoyable retirement is a relatively new and wealthy one, and probably something that will reverse with time as really it can only be possible when economies are growing apace."

Or if the wealthy stop hoarding resources from everyone else

I agree news reports are misleading saying he was on a hike. He appears to have been walking back from the beach to where he was staying. But the searing midday heat, intensified by rocky terrain once you leave the beach and steepness of the climb would make it feel like a strenuous hike.

I think there’s also confusion about where he was going. He was staying at their friend’s home in Symi Town, which is reached via Pedi. The walk to Pedi is only about 1km (20 mins) on a tourist path from the beach. But then he’d have to get from Pedi to Symi Town. If it was a long wait for a bus and he couldn’t get a cab, he may have decided to walk it and that’s when he may’ve got into difficulty.

It looks like the quickest way to Symi Town is via a road over a headland with lots of houses along it (rather than a rocky, isolated path) and wouldn’t take him near the sea. But it depends whether he’d been there before and knew the way. There’s also a longer road that does go near the sea. And he may have taken a wrong turn and got lost.

As for raising the alarm, as their friends live there, it’s possible they and other locals searched for some time before officially reporting him missing to the police. On a tiny island, I imagine there are v limited emergency services.

Think people are just talking about what they think might have happened to him, aren't they? One or two have said they don't like him, and there's some discussion of the risks of age and heat, but why would that mean there was something 'wrong with people'?

@EdithBond that might fit with the sighting in Pedi by bus stop if asking for directions & long wait for bus? Perhaps things went awry on path to Symi?

At this point I think it's worth taking a look (again) at this video of the cliff walk from Pedi to the beach, so exactly the walk MM has done but in reverse.

I can't see any place where he could have fallen into the sea, nor anywhere he could be hidden from view.

I think he made it safely to Pedi and something happened between there and his destination.

Absolutely.

But either way, obviously physiologically, no matter how fit, the average 60/70-year-old will not bounce back or deal with medical trauma as an equally fit 20/30-year-old.

@Carly944 It's obvious and it really detracts from the main point of the post.

@Begsthequestion have you ever done the maths on this? There’s not as much money as you think. Even if you could reclaim 1 trillion pounds off the wealthy and redistribute it per citizen, it would only be about £15k each in the U.K. a nice sum, but not even enough for one luxury year of retirement!

He just went for a walk though.

Did you see the update.

New cctv of hik at a restaurant before going missing

Could he have climbed over the rocks to get to the sea though - he might have thought he would have a quick dip to cool down and slipped on the rocks.

But I do think that happened after Pedi. So he made it there and planned to get a bus but there were none. So pushed on and then got in to trouble.

This is like that thread about that poor boy stuck down the well while rescuers tried to dig through to get him out and there was a live stream in youtube. Mumsnet full of people discussing it, trying to find out about the family and speculating.

Can’t people just send well wishes and stop speculating on the details or making guesses about how someone may have died. This is horrific and mumsnet should take it down. Should all be ashamed of yourselves.

I heard on the lunchtime news that Michael Mosley and his wife had only flown out to Simi on Tuesday so he disappeared on the first full day of their holiday. This means they were not acclimatised to the heat of Greece on Wednesday when he went missing as it takes at least a few days to get used to it on holiday. Here in England it has been much cooler than usual for the time of year so they were going from cooler temperatures to boiling hot. This meant he would be more vulnerable to heat related illness if walking in full sun on a very hot day.

I hope there is a positive outcome but if not I hope they find him as the not knowing would be even worse for his family.

I've been around the Greek Islands but not that one. Is simi a very small island.

Is there a link to this?

Why is it "important to know"?

As someone who is presumably not personally involved in the search operation, what use would you make of such information?

Could he have taken ride in unlicensed type cab in Pedi - I did have a bad experience to this end in Greek isles to that end once.

It could realistically be ages before he's found. Because of the currents.

A man I went to school with went missing on a Spanish island.

His remains wernet found until a whole two years later, as he had been swept out to see, then swept back in ages later

Googlemaps put the distance from Pedi to the town centre of Symi at 32mins, which means the entire walk from the beach would have been around an hour. Depending on where their friends lived, it might be slightly more or less than that.

The quickest way follows a road with many houses along the way, nothing rural or dangerous looking. If someone had a medical emergency, it would have been spotted within minutes. There are however two or three alternate routes that go through the hills and have various forks and bends. Not unfeasible to have gotten lost if someone attempted to take the more scenic route from Pedi to Symi (especially without a cell phone for navigation).

The bus stop sighting hasn't been disproven yet. There was another sighting at a restaurant that was debunked via CCTV. It showed a man wearing remarkably similar clothing but definitely wasn't him. But since there's no CCTV footage of the bus stop, it can't ruled out the sighting was also the other man.