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If a friend went cold on you and you found out why…

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Okaaaay · 29/05/2024 20:59

… what was the reason? Relatively light hearted really - feeling very sore about this happening to me and it would be nice to feel that I’m not alone. Plus it might prompt me to understand what I did / said that was so wrong.

I had a good friend suddenly cut ties - I have no idea why. It was a mum friend who I’d know 3 years - we’d bonded and would text every few days and see each other once a month or so. Nothing majorly intense but she was super important to me in a world where neither of us have much of a support network. Then one day, at a usual meet up at a DC club, she just didn’t want to talk and avoided me. She’s polite now but set a clear distant boundary (which I have respected). I’ve analysed every text, what I’d said or done and can’t work out what it was. But it was definitely something. I’m not a terribly difficult or offensive person but must have said or done something she found really unpalatable. I’ll get over it but feel gutted - it’s hard making friends and this one made my life happier.

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dubmimi · 30/05/2024 19:37

Mayhemmumma · 30/05/2024 18:16

My best, best, bestie wanted 'more' from our relationship. It's hard explaining to my kids why she and her children have vanished overnight having always been in their lives and it hurt. Annoyed about it now a year on and not so sad.

My other friend didn't like me asking her about her child's mental health/school refusal - I had no intention of offending her and didn't realise it was off topic but she was clearly irritated and hasn't wanted to meet up since. I feel bad but also I guess I am judging a bit and think she needs to do more.

I'm not doing well with my friends!

I don't blame her not wanting to meet up if you are judging her parenting of her ND school refusing child.

Vettrianofan · 30/05/2024 20:51

I think it's you think more of them as a friend than they think of you.

Gagaandgag · 30/05/2024 21:51

thenewaveragebear1983 · 29/05/2024 21:16

I have literally had this happen to me almost exactly as you describe. She just stopped answering my messages. I gave her some space. She just never replied again. I did ask her why and she didn’t respond. We have shared friends who still see her and have asked her and she just will not say. Then a few weeks ago I thought I’d try one more time. And she replied! Said she would like to meet. Then I said ok, let me know when you’re available and no reply. 🤷‍♀️ to be honest, the second time has fully killed any desire I have to be friends now.

its genuinely hurt me and left me feeling very down and isolated. Almost like a break up, it feels so unfair. She was my closest friend and at first I was devastated but now I’ve just accepted that I will just never know.

This happened to me. I know how confusing and isolating it can make you feel.
Know you aren’t alone.

LeilaLettuce · 30/05/2024 22:25

Notellinganyone · 30/05/2024 14:44

People not having vaccines affects everyone’s children. That’s how it works!

It’s an individual choice.

waddlemyway · 30/05/2024 22:31

This thread is making me so sad and yet I can’t stop reading it. I had a rough friend break-up a few years back and at the time I thought it was bizarre how there is so much help and support and experience available when you have a relationship break-up, but not for a friendship.

First ghosting experience was a very dear and close best friend of many, many years. I am pleased to say we eventually had it out. She had been depressed, she had found herself in a controlling relationship and took a while to get out, but the catalyst had been that she felt we were just so similar, we did everything the same, had everything the same, and that she had needed a break to become her own person. I was so sad for many years, but now we are friends again after that catch-up. Not as close as before, though distance and families play the largest role in that. But we can definitely now always pick up where we left off again and we definitely care for each other and their families and bear zero grudges. That was the happy story.

The second experience was the rough one mentioned above. A dear uni friend that I remained very close with for many years never really liked my DP from the get-go. He felt it from her right from the beginning but we are all adults and they muddled on through for my sake. One holiday it all came to a shouty head between them and she ghosted me after. Some of the things she said were really, really below the line and some left her sitting on a precariously high horse. We don’t talk about her much at home but when we do (we still have joint friends so sometimes it’s unavoidable) she’s called “she-who-shall-not-be-named”. I try my best not to ever feel smug but I must admit I did think of that high horse she had shouted down to me from when I heard that both she and her husband had had affairs and ripped their family apart. I am really not a jealous person but I will admit to feeling left out when I see her and our joint fabulous friend (who would never have met if it weren’t for me!) off on a nice trip somewhere and think, I should have been there too. Though who knows, maybe that works both ways. Joint friend is truly a star, she’s both very emotionally intelligent and intelligent and manages to tread carefully for everyone’s sakes.

Final one is actually DP’s former best friend of many many years. When DP was off travelling his bestie and then new-ish girlfriend looked after me so well. Over the years she has picked so many big arguments with his friends. We were first - she misunderstood a joke in a birthday card and they went silent on us for nearly a year. Turns out she had forgotten something funny that had happened (she had apparently been too drunk to remember thoughwe did not notice) and therefore the card was misconstrued. But instead of clarifying she instead persuaded him to ghost his very best friend of many years for that long. Eventually we went out for dinner and had it out, or figured it out, rather, as we were all so confused and for no good reason. It all felt a bit engineered, like she wanted rid of us. She’s insecure. She wants control of him, we, his friends, are some kind of an imagined threat. We tried for a few more years but the damage had been done. The poor guy sees none of his original friend group anymore. Apparently he doesn’t even speak to his direct family any more at her insistence/brainwashing/gaslighting. she planted so many seeds of doubt, cracks appeared everywhere. At their wedding she had a full-blown screaming match with another friend of ours (again, a drunken misunderstanding) and the whole friendship circle never repaired after that. It’s so, so very sad that he doesn’t see it. But he seems genuinely happy and I hope she is too. Sometimes we bump into them or just I into her and it’s always excruuuuuuciatingly awkward. I think next time I will just own it instead of being polite. Life’s too short for keeping up appearances. (I feel like we need to leave him a lifeline though, just incase it all comes crashing down! Poor sod. )

I am blessed with a very great number of very good friends and acquaintances. I have lived in a few different places over the years, if anything I feel guilty I cannot possibly keep up with everyone I want to, though I do try. I wish I could say my two complete losses go unnoticed but they still left a mark that opens up a bit wider every so often. My thoughts are with those of you still grieving a raw friendship loss or a loss of any friendship/companionship completely. I hope it passes. I hope time is kind. Just keep doing the things that you love to do or find new things to enjoy doing and hopefully, through that, interesting, interested and kind people will wind up being a part of your life.

SloaneStreetVandal · 30/05/2024 23:04

I think it can be the case that you bring out a friend's insecurities without realising it. I had a friend who drank a lot for example, whereas I don't drink a great deal. It genuinely never bothered me that she drank a lot, and I'm certain she knew it never bothered me, it was about her though - it bothered her (ie that she struggled to abstain now and again).

I've also had friends who would overthink things, and you can tell when someone is second guessing you (no matter how hard they try to hide it). 'Desperation' (for want of a better word) is apparent in an over keen friend in the same way it is in an over keen partner.

I also think some people are just quite ruthless. They'll drop others without a thought for how it'll make that person feel.

Runsyd · 30/05/2024 23:26

DoorPath · 30/05/2024 19:20

@Runsyd *
I don't think either of those friends would be sorry to see the back of you. Knowing people can't change sex and not wanting men in women's sports or spaces is not bigotry. However, being intolerant of views other than your own is literally bigotry. Try looking it up in the dictionary.*

Being intolerant of racism, homophobia and transphobia is the opposite of bigotry. Do you really think racism is just "other views you should be tolerant of"? Because I don't.

Define racism. Define homophobia. Define transphobia. Actually, define trans, if you can, without a circular definition. There's a very good chance that I would define racism very differently to you, as I'm not a fan of critical race theory. So being intolerant of other people's views means imposing your definitions on other people. And no one made you god, DoorPath. You're as guilty of bigotry as the people you despise.

AppleStruddle123 · 31/05/2024 00:07

SloaneStreetVandal · 30/05/2024 23:04

I think it can be the case that you bring out a friend's insecurities without realising it. I had a friend who drank a lot for example, whereas I don't drink a great deal. It genuinely never bothered me that she drank a lot, and I'm certain she knew it never bothered me, it was about her though - it bothered her (ie that she struggled to abstain now and again).

I've also had friends who would overthink things, and you can tell when someone is second guessing you (no matter how hard they try to hide it). 'Desperation' (for want of a better word) is apparent in an over keen friend in the same way it is in an over keen partner.

I also think some people are just quite ruthless. They'll drop others without a thought for how it'll make that person feel.

I agree. Sometimes you dont see how you trigger their insecurities.

I had a friend who was a reverse snob. She was rude about people who had money. I went on to marry a very wealthy man and she couldn’t stand it. She criticised the buggy I chose, joked I’d be buying a 4x4 (we didn’t we drive an old banger and have done for 15 years), got annoyed when I couldn’t meet up and said I should get a nanny to look after the kids because “what else is your husband doing with all that money”. She felt like I’d sold out (of what I’m not sure).

She was always judgemental of people who were rich. I think underneath it all she was incredibly jealous. Her living standard wasn’t far off mine but for some reason she couldn’t bare to see me above her. She has been much more popular than me at school and was easily far more attractive than me with a better figure. She’s always had things come to her easily and found life easy on the whole. Pretty privilege and happy family life. She just breezed through things. I adored her. Flattered that she’d spend time with me. She made me feel like I might be even slightly cool.

I never ever talked about money but she eventually did such a nasty unpleasant thing in our 40s I couldn’t talk to her anymore. I won’t write it here as it’s outing.

She was utterly ruthless and used me. Stabbed me in the back. I can’t hate her because it’s not in me to hate but I wonder what makes her tick and if it was worth it. In the end the glory she was seeking through this act amounted to nothing. She was my bridesmaid and a best friend from school and to this day it still takes my breath away. I find it difficult to trust people these days. It also taught me that people are not who you think they are. You never truly know someone even after 3 decades. They can turn on a sixpence. If someone’s ego is at stake, and they are fragile they’ll sacrifice you. Some people despite coming across as holier than thou are weasels. In my more compassionate moments I feel sorry for her. It must be awful to be that insecure to do what she did.

SoreAndTired1 · 31/05/2024 02:29

For goodness sake why don't you just ASK her what you've done wrong?!?? It may be a misunderstanding that you can sort out, and your daughter can get her friend back again!

monkeyspaw · 31/05/2024 03:58

CatMadam · 30/05/2024 09:06

Good for him! Standing up to bigots is hard, especially when they’re your friends and you expect better of them.

Pretty sure @Wellthatsthattheniguess was actually lucky to be rid of this man. "Friends" who expect you to lie, compel your speech, and are smugly complacent as they give away women's rights to men are not a loss.
Unless, of course, you are happy to lie constantly, don't care about real disadvantages to other women or gay people, as well as detrimental outcomes for children; in which case the loss of a like-minded Red Guard would be tragic.

Sceptical123 · 31/05/2024 05:09

CoffeeCantata · 30/05/2024 16:38

VenusClapTrap · Yesterday 21:22
I found out it was because I talked over her. I felt very bad about it, but no amount of apologising could undo the damage. She had changed her opinion of me and that was that. It was a great shame because she was lovely and I had valued her friendship.

I was young, and learnt from it, and made a conscious effort after that not to talk over people - or if I did (usually when drunk or overly excited) I would immediately call myself out and apologise.

I'm sorry this happened to you and I know you have 'owned' the problem - which is brilliant. You're lucky to be able to reflect and modify your behaviour - it's a huge skill.

But I have a very old friend who does this. She's quite lonely, I think, and I've known her for donkey's years. Normally I only see for her a few hours at a time, which I can just about cope with (though I return home exhausted!). However, I'm just back from a few days on a 'girls' break' with her and another old school friend, and we both confessed afterwards that we were at breaking point by the time we parted at the station!

I felt so beaten down by the end - every time I started a sentence she'd jump in and talk over me very loudly. In the end, the other friend and I just ended up sitting there mute! She has some ND issues, I'm sure, and she's had a lonely life, so we're not about to hurt her or dump her,...but we won't be going away with her ever again!

I only say this to reinforce your point that sometimes people do things unconsciously which, while not the crime of the century, make them hard work for others and the older we get, the less we want to spend time with people who don't bring us joy. And I know I'm not perfect, by the way!

I think if ppl are single and or lonely then when they meet up with friends who they feel comfortable with, the temptation is to get their fill of conversation and emotional support, and this can wind up as them monopolising the conversation. This can also be true of ppl who work from home or are stay at home parents.

If you have a partner or are in an office environment where you can chat during the day and at night it’s easy to take that for granted - just being able to air your thoughts to another person out loud. If you don’t have that, then it can get stored up so that when you are able to meet with friends it is very easy to offload the built up thoughts, opinions, anxieties, stories etc. that others can offload and dismiss throughout their daily life to several people intermittently.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/05/2024 08:22

Lubilu02 · 30/05/2024 08:31

I had a very good friend who I ghosted in the end.

She was alot of fun, quite attractive and we did alot together with our kids. I did notice she could be rather flirty when we were out, but I always just joked about it and laughed it off.

It wasn't until I could see on a few occasions she had that same glint in her eye when talking to my husband that my feelings towards her changed, and hearing she'd been doing the same to another taken family member of mine. It may have been harmless fun to her, but I found it disrespectful and overstepping the mark.

I feel sad about it, because she was otherwise a really good person. I just never felt the same or comfortable with her again🙁

This worries me as i can be a bit flirty after a few drinks, I really enjoy male company and I didnt even consider it flirting until someone pointed it out. I've never acted on anything, I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

VerlynWebbe · 31/05/2024 08:34

LeilaLettuce · 30/05/2024 22:25

It’s an individual choice.

Not vaccinating is one of the few times where the decision directly affects the population. It’s simply ignorant to say it’s an individual choice. (It’s also parroting the rhetoric used by some very unpleasant right wing it’s on YouTube, TikTok etc.)

LeilaLettuce · 31/05/2024 09:07

VerlynWebbe · 31/05/2024 08:34

Not vaccinating is one of the few times where the decision directly affects the population. It’s simply ignorant to say it’s an individual choice. (It’s also parroting the rhetoric used by some very unpleasant right wing it’s on YouTube, TikTok etc.)

It’s not right wing to think for yourself. Quite the reverse.

SloaneStreetVandal · 31/05/2024 09:56

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/05/2024 08:22

This worries me as i can be a bit flirty after a few drinks, I really enjoy male company and I didnt even consider it flirting until someone pointed it out. I've never acted on anything, I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

I think that's a (telling and) deliberately snide response...

It's cringe to flirt with anyone you know to be in a committed relationship. To habitually flirt with the spouse of a close friend is downright disrespectful, and no one wants friends who routinely disrespect them (and then gaslight them that they're the problem...).

VerlynWebbe · 31/05/2024 10:09

LeilaLettuce · 31/05/2024 09:07

It’s not right wing to think for yourself. Quite the reverse.

I didn't say that, I said parroting the rhetoric of nasty, disingenuous right-wing shits on social media. It's neither right-wing nor left-wing to think for oneself, no 'reverse' about it.

Not vaccinating isn't thinking for yourself, anyway. It's finding nutters on social media who make a living out of telling you that there's a conspiracy to keep data from you about the efficacy of vaccines, and that the people who develop them have a deep, dark agenda. This is false, but it sure makes them money through advertising/books/paid streams etc. Sure, let them tell you you are thinking for yourselves.

I can't roll my eyes far enough back into my head.

DoorPath · 31/05/2024 10:20

@Runsyd

There's a very good chance that I would define racism very differently to you, as I'm not a fan of critical race theory. So being intolerant of other people's views means imposing your definitions on other people. And no one made you god, DoorPath. You're as guilty of bigotry as the people you despise.

Wow. Nope. Being anti-racist is not "just as bigoted" as being racist. We have a moral duty to be anti-racist. Is no one going to call @Runsyd out on this?

This is what you all sound like about trans people, by the way. Being transphobic is shit and damaging and unnecessary, as is being homophobic and racist. We should fight bigotry.

The difference between racists and anti-racists is that racists do terrible damage on the basis of a characteristic of a person. Anti-racists say that this is wrong. Surely you can see that these things are not equivalent?

DoorPath · 31/05/2024 10:21

The first paragraph in my message above is a direct quote from @Runsyd

beachcomber70 · 31/05/2024 10:32

I've had to end a 20+year friendship after slowly being discarded. It took the form of being unfairly criticised, snapped at, taken for granted, blamed and generally got at. It was like walking on the proverbial eggshells. I never knew when she was going to have a go at me, if my words were going to be misinterpreted/meanings distorted so she could get her anger out. She would weaponise things I'd told her about my life/family which I found unforgiveable.

Help I gave her in shovel loads and keeping her company at weekends when no one else was available was apparently me being 'needy', our history of good times were scoffed at, her views on certain issues became bizarre, she would argue for the sake of arguing. Her road rage was ridiculous. I could do nothing right. And the self absorption became staggering.

This wasn't all the time [sometimes she was lovely, kind and great company] but over the years the behaviour became more intense and more often until I couldn't take it any more. I thought I was supporting her but she'd found a circle of younger well off corporate types to mix with and I was becoming superfluous. .
I know people move on, I accept it, I understand it, I adjust....but just communicate, be mature, be civil and don't trick me into thinking things are ok when I'm just being used, picked up and put down.

LiveLove24 · 31/05/2024 10:41

SloaneStreetVandal · 31/05/2024 09:56

I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

I think that's a (telling and) deliberately snide response...

It's cringe to flirt with anyone you know to be in a committed relationship. To habitually flirt with the spouse of a close friend is downright disrespectful, and no one wants friends who routinely disrespect them (and then gaslight them that they're the problem...).

Edited

Completely agree. If you’re questioning your behaviour as being “really flirty” you know you’re over-stepping the boundaries.

Why do it? Do you have low self esteem?

Sexual attention/tension from men can be garnered from almost anywhere. Why choose your friends husbands?

To put your selfish behaviour on them as being possessive and insecure is not being accountable for your own insecurities.

user33992020 · 31/05/2024 10:51

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/05/2024 08:22

This worries me as i can be a bit flirty after a few drinks, I really enjoy male company and I didnt even consider it flirting until someone pointed it out. I've never acted on anything, I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

It's not about being insecure- why on earth would you flirt with your friends husbands or partners? thats hugely disrespectful and frankly, really weird behaviour. Its basically unwanted sexual attention and its not ok.

I had a friend whose husband behaved like this and it disgusted me and made me really, really uncomfortable whenever we went out socially. Drunken flirting is even worse - noone wants someone's wine/beer breath in their face whilst they try to invade your personal space or make cringey suggestive comments. It has nothing to with insecurity and everything to do with it being a gross, unattractive way to behave.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 31/05/2024 10:54

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/05/2024 08:22

This worries me as i can be a bit flirty after a few drinks, I really enjoy male company and I didnt even consider it flirting until someone pointed it out. I've never acted on anything, I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

Why would you flirt with your friends husbands that's just weird, and actually rude and disrespectful.

I'd dump you for not respecting me or my marriage if you were my friend.

newyorkhotel · 31/05/2024 11:05

I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship

So coming onto your friend's partners is ok because you arent attractive WTAF

Have you ever thought that you are making those people deeply uncomfortable with your drunken flirting? PP are right- you are behaving really badly and trying to gaslight your friends by then implying the issue is with them, not you.

If you love male company so much, then go out and find some of your own. Dont slobber all over your friend's husbands. Yuck.

NonPlayerCharacter · 31/05/2024 11:17

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/05/2024 08:22

This worries me as i can be a bit flirty after a few drinks, I really enjoy male company and I didnt even consider it flirting until someone pointed it out. I've never acted on anything, I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship.

Yes, I expect you would.

coastalhawk · 31/05/2024 11:29

newyorkhotel · 31/05/2024 11:05

I would assume my friends understand this, I'm also not good looking enough to be a threat and I would assume everyone agreed. In fact I'm sure of it as none of the men involved have ever responded inappropriately. I would find it very harsh if i was dumped by a friend over this. I wouldn't read it as she dumped me because I flirted but more she dumped me because she was possessive and insecure in her relationship

So coming onto your friend's partners is ok because you arent attractive WTAF

Have you ever thought that you are making those people deeply uncomfortable with your drunken flirting? PP are right- you are behaving really badly and trying to gaslight your friends by then implying the issue is with them, not you.

If you love male company so much, then go out and find some of your own. Dont slobber all over your friend's husbands. Yuck.

I see where you're coming from but I disagree with the strength of this and think some of this is cultural too. This also depends how you define flirting. Obviously hair flicking and pushing away seductively is NOT OK but a bit of banter and teasing is fine I think. My partner is quite comical and I don't mind when my friends sort of tease him and it would occur to me to feel annoyed at either of them. I think artificially repressing the natural way of being with someone isn't good for relationships and I'd like my friends to get on well with my partner.

I also think most people aren't used to being friends with the other sex so it might take a while to get used to and/or might veer into harmless mild 'flirting' sometimes but I wouldn't worry too much about it or condemn people different to you so strongly.

I totally agree that that urge should be suppressed a bit, esp if you find find that person attractive, but I think how you're talking - in a really condemning and strict way - ignores that people are different and have different relationships with the other sex (or same sex!) without there being an nefarious intent or consequence.

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