PIP fraud is 0% says DWP

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The DWP latest report on benefit fraud states PIP fraud is 0% so all the mumsnetters who believe disabled people are scamming them out of their cash can sleep easy.

Some people only ever have a paper assessment ,I assume though that's because there is overwhelming evidence,
My son is 14 severely autistic severe learning disabilities, he currently gets HRC andHRM due ti severe mental impairment,
Honestly I cant see this changing when he transfers to PIP as he needs 1:1 assistance with everything and we have overwhelming evidence of his disabilities

Indeed.

When I was going through Tribunal for my PIP, my so called best friend said "wait till they find out you're going on holiday" I explained to her that disabled people were allowed to go on holiday, hence airport assistance.

I can only assume she thinks I shouldn't be allowed as I'm a scrounging disabled arsehole who should only be given enough money for basic rations.

She's either stupider than I thought (she does repeat a lot of right wing headlines, and seems to be turning into a bigot) or she's actually nastier than I thought. I'm inclined to believe it's a mix of the two.

There's a lot of internalised abelism about in the same way that there's internalised misogyny.

What's all this about "only be given enough money for basic rations?"

It's 'only be given enough vouchers for basic rations.' (of their choosing)

Do keep up! 😂

Yes, of course. I forgot we should be only be getting vouchers in exchange for the lowest possible standard products possible.

Look out for cut price 'Weigh Your Own Gruel' shops coming to our high streets soon!

Woe betide if you use your vouchers on the under the counter Drip-Tray-Mixed-Grog. Thy shall we sanctioned and paraded around cobbled streets in some sort of carty thing.

Yeah, right.

"carty thing?" You're being really entitled here!
The disabled are entitled to crutches, walkers, and even wheelchairs, why should able bodied people have to pay for voucher abusers to be paraded in a "carty thing?" It's supposed to be punishment not a rare day out of the house with transport provided!

I lived with her and slept with him many times I’m no angel myself but know both on very personal levels and enough bith have at different times laughed or joked about getting pip. The guy even got caught doing benefit fraud with his ex who claimed to be a single mum whilst he lived and paid for everything it came out him making her do it (I googled his name after someone said he was arrested for opening a plane door and hitting a women and a lower down local artical had him arrested with her and fined I still speak to him in the pub but would not see him on a personal level now however literally 3 weeks ago in the pub he asked me and my friends what drink we’d like I made a joke about how is he paying as it is about £7a double for 6 people to which he replied
“people who work I’ll use my pip”. The girl was my best friend from primary to later on we fell out when she started putting sound protection headphone on her child after her nursery Said to stop and she got a second hand wheelchair and puts her perfectly able 2 year old in it with headphones and took him out of nursery. He’s now home schooled however I said to her to listen to the professionals advice as she could cause him more issues then good and she said she knew her child best and we never spoke again.

not criticising anyone else at all who gets pip and I think it’s a good service which should be more accessible to thouse who need it.

but this thread said 0% fraud and I know of two people who openly laugh about What they get. It’s not doubting the millions of people who do need it

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I really should check my priviledge. My DD would likely love a day trip out on a carty thing. We could pretend it was Alton Towers. The tax payers wouldn't like it though, so for now it shall be but a pipe dream.

<ponders wistfully at idea of rare day out with transport provided>

we used to work in a strip club together

Disabled women often end up prostituted or otherwise in the sex industry. A combination of being easier to manipulate and the promised (see also: pimps' and club owners' lies) hourly rate meaning that making a living looks achievable on the very part-time hours that a disabled woman can cope with.

I'm currently in the middle of autistic burnout. Twenty-five years ago, I was occasionally going clubbing. Now, it's an ordeal to leave the house. I was autistic then and am autistic now, it's just that my symptoms have changed. Your former friend may be in the same position.

I've mentioned that there can be up to 13,000 PIP fraudsters before the PIP fraud rate exceeds 0.5% and no longer rounds to 0% as an integer. So you know one by his own admission, and claim to know another despite not being able to know her full circumstances because you've not been friends for six years. So that's two, perhaps three, of the nation's 13,000 PIP fraudsters known to someone posting on this thread. Given the number of Mumsnet users, that's not actually surprising.

It's still the case that less than 0.5% of PIP claims are fraudulent.

Meh, I make jokes about my PIP too.

Unless disabled people aren't allowed to laugh any more?

Which part of "fraud being less than 0.5% doesn't mean it never happens, it just means it's very rare" do you not understand?

1. You need to understand that a 0% fraud rate does nor mean there is no fraud at all. A pp explained this well.
2. Beware of over-embellishing your posts. It is a big giveaway.

but this thread said 0% fraud

Two posters, of who I am one, have carefully explained the mathematical concept of "rounding" on this thread. 0% doesn't mean 0.0000000000% nor does it mean "none at all". It means "less than half a percent, but we couldn't be bothered writing out the numbers that come after the decimal point".

Strange thing to laugh about imo.

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I don’t fucking know🙄

Absolute bollocks!! I personally know two people who are fraudulently claiming PIP!

If they haven't been caught they won't form part of the statistic, will they? The statistic can't reflect fraud that hasn't come to light.

Are you sure he said PIP? Because that has nothing to do with whether you can work or not. It's about the extra costs of a disability: e.g. for special equipment, or to be able to take taxis, or pay for help with specific issues. Plenty of people who receive PIP are in work.

As I understand, most benefit fraud involves failing to declare income: either claiming unemployment benefit when earning from an undeclared job, or, as in your acquaintance's case, failing to declare household income from a partner. Neither of which is relevant to disability or PIP.

Plenty of people who receive PIP are in work.

Some people even get Access To Work funding to pay for what they need to stay in work.

£35k is shit money?

Yes….for a qualified and registered health professional ….with an honours degree and a specialist qualification at Masters level….it’s very shit….my friend lasted 6 months then got a job in medical sales earning 70k with bonus on top of that….
Would you work for 35k ? I have the same qualification and professional registration and even as an nhs employee I am still on 50k ….. I definitely wouldn’t settle for 35k

This is no surprise.
PIP is very hard to get.
But on MN, everyone knows someone who has several new cars, goes to the Maldives twice a year, runs marathons, and also works on the sly.
It always astounds me how much these people claim to know about the illness and finances of others.
I think a lot of people begrudging claimants have no idea what PIP actually is, or how someone is eligible.

And 0% does not mean NO fraud... it is such a tiny figure that is less than 0.5%.

Anyone thinking PIP is easy to claim, then you are free to have a go. You will probably not even get sent the forms (after a lengthy phonecall applying for them).