Another XL Bully has killed a woman

[hollyblueivy]

Hornchurch: Woman dies in XL bully attack at home www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-69041493

She was the owner and sounds like she had a couple of them. They were registered but clearly that doesn't and didn't stop this preventable death.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. People die doing idiotic things all the time.

What I would like to see is a ban on these dogs being around children, including in the home. Adults can make their own decisions about risk but children can’t.

The problem is that breeding them was legal at the time - you can't charge someone for breaking a law that didn't exist.

I suggest that the real solution is proper dog (and horse) licensing.

While there is a lot of emphasis on the dog, all to often its the owner that needs to be muzzled and neutered.

I suggest that a lot more needs to be done with the owners of problem dogs as they are clearly not right and I suggest that if your dog ccauses problems you will experience a massive PITA response would be a major deterrent to problem dog owners

There is one of these living down the road from me, I met it being walked by a dog walker, young woman. It was muzzled and she stopped to talk to me. It is only 14 wks old but already head and shoulders bigger than my adult cockapoo. He's very friendly and soft. For the first time he walked behind me and stayed behind my legs. Normally allover other dogs wanting to play. Not this one.

Completely agree.

Yes it's always others that end up having to pay for the stupidity of some people

Totally agree. But I think that’s the very nature of a lot of owners of this type of dog. Young uns without a clue wanting to look hard.

I doubt XL bully owners think full stop I'm afraid.

Agree about dog licensing. Which should include mandatory neutering except for licensed breeders. Breeding should be strictly controlled to ensure no inbreeding and no selecting for harmful traits (flat faces, sloping backs etc)

I've noticed more (unmuzzled) XL bullies in my local park since the ban came in (which is usually much more dachshund territory). I think owners are avoiding their own local areas where they are known and can be named to police.

On another note, BIL and SIL have just adopted a lockdown reject rottweiler, putting themselves on the no-visit list since we have a grabby and hyperactive seven month old. (They're welcome here without the dog)

My husband was miffed when I said this after meeting them and finding out they had the dog. The will to think "it won't happen to us" is strong...

Like a lot of problems in society there is a lack of political will to effectively deal with these types of dogs. Obviously they can't all be PTS but there should be a draconian ban on unlicensed breeding of any dog, not just XLs. There are more than enough dogs in the country, many of them owned by idiots.

It must be a nightmare to live next door to such people and their vicious dogs.

@YellowHairband

personal choice
personal responsibility

how much govt legislation do you want in your own home? It's a slippery slope.

My sympathy is for the poor lady and her family, its absolutely horific.
A lot of these owners are absolutely deluded though - there was a news segmant featuring a lady who was complaining about the new legislation around these dogs and while the reporters were quite fair it was very obvious that the lady couldn't control her "big softy" and after the segment the reporter said that just after the cameras stopped the dog tried to attack th camera man.
I have a large breed but they are known for being very good family dogs and rarely if ever feature in attacks but I know he has teeth and claws the same as a dog that is generally seen to be "scary" and we always treat that with respect.

how easy is it to become a licensed breeder though,
you can still breed a bad dog

She decided to keep the dangerous dogs which may as well be a weapon

Tg no children or passerby were involved

personal choice
personal responsibility

It's not the child's choice though, is it?

And no one considers it a parent's "personal choice" to not put their child in a car seat or do up their seatbelt.
I don't think these dogs belong in houses with children.

This shows the mentality of the owners though.
Dogs are expensive to care for properly. If the owner didn’t have the money to have her dog put down then she shouldn’t have owned a dog, any dog.

@Cocopogo

its a worry for the children's sake it wasn't removed immediately, but why did she expect it to be euthanised for free, where was her responsibility in this??

I'd wondered before about there being a rage syndrome in these dogs. But was told by other posters there was no such thing in this breed.

But I can't quite let go of the idea, because it fits the pattern of attacks (previously calm, and then just turning without warning) and goes with the appalling level of in-breeding.

were people expected to pay for euthanasia?

I’d go with making sure children have a better chance in their homes by legislating against it

We do many laws like that

@Standingupstandingout

have you reported her?

do you have a car? I'd be taking my dog elsewhere to walk. On the bus if no car, I wouldn't walk around there until the XL had gone.

Omg there are some evil people around

@ChampagneGold

im pretty sure they can't be rehomed in any situation, so I have no doubt they'll be killed, it was probably done this way to avoid some further trauma to the family (neighbours etc)

Urgh wish they’d just kill the entire breed.