Another XL Bully has killed a woman

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Hornchurch: Woman dies in XL bully attack at home www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-69041493

She was the owner and sounds like she had a couple of them. They were registered but clearly that doesn't and didn't stop this preventable death.

I remember seeing an episode on judge Judy where she had a message for pit bull owners from a grandfather she had spoken to. He said he was the last to hear that his 5 year old grandson had been killed by his son's pit bull as he had begged him for years to get rid of the dog. The son had refused, as like all other dangerous dog owners he believed it was the owner and not the breed, his dog was a dream etc. lo and behold this tragedy happened.
Why oh why people would keep one of these is incomprehensible. I say that as a dog lover but these breeds terrify me.

I know someone with an XL and I can honestly say he is such a canny dog. Friendly, well behaved, well trained. But like hell will I be in any confined space with hin. She's had him for years and he always struck me as too strong. I've grown up with big dogs my whole life (mainly the hairy variety) so it's not like I'm frightened or nervous around them generally, but I always have been around him.

Even if it was the case that the breed was capable of being trained, they are being owned by people not capable of training them and people not capable of working out whether they had been trained or not.

SherrieElmer · Today 11:12

Accidents like this one when the owner ends up dead are the only way that could eventually culminate in dog owners snapping out of it and proceeding to get rid of these evil creatures.

And then other owners go, "My little Satan's a lovely fluffy bunny, he'd never hurt a fly." And then when it kills someone, they blame the victim for provoking it. Presumably by existing in a public space.

There's a middle aged female owner of one nearby. She can't control it, it drags her around and she tells you that you have to move off the path to go around her because she can't make it. I hate walking past it because she would have no chance stopping it from killing one of us.

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:34

^Sorry but I don’t. She kept two monsters, knowing what they were capable of.
I feel sorry for the people who had to deal with the aftermath.^

I understand your point and agree to some extent, but I still feel sorry for her being ripped apart by two wild animals.

Totally agree. I have definitely seen a few XL bullys walking around unmuzzled. You can tell the difference because the dogs are so much bigger and more muscly than similar breeds. Obviously I’m not going to challenge the other with a terrifying dog, nor will the police do anything about it. These attacks will keep happening again and again, sadly. The penalties should be much higher.

I think not having anything living in your house that could easily kill you is the best idea.

Interestingly the neighbours are reported as saying they never saw the dogs being walked, and never saw them in the garden.
So two untrained, unsocialised giant dogs with screwed up genetics confined to a few rooms in a house. Awful way for any dog to be treated, let alone ones with loose wires.

Another saying Darwin Awards in play here. At least they only killed the owner and not anyone else.

As for the mother of two young children who kept one in their own home when she knew it was dangerous because no-one else would pay the vet's bill to euthanise - words fail me. People seem to be able to find the money to buy these dogs in the first place.

Anyone reading this who has dogs of this ilk in their house and think they are in control and the dogs would never hurt them would do well to bear in mind that this woman probably would have said the same last week.

This will be used by other owners as a reason why this won’t happen to them. ‘Well of course they turned on her, she never took them out. Couldn’t happen to me because I take Fluffy to the park every day.’

Exactly... any dog can turn but in most cases, they can be restrained.

I just don't get why the Govt allowed so many exemptions over XL's, it was obvious we will get these deaths and there will be visitors attacked and killed too.

All these XLs need to be destroyed, its just not fair on the Police, Paramedics etc either, they have to risk their lives in these situations too.

And this will go on happening while people insist on sharing their homes with purpose-bred fighting dogs, that they continue to think of as their fur babies.

Each owner needs to ask whether they are willing for their child to lose their mother, or their mum to lose a daughter, because that is the risk.

To be honest I think the law about being on leads needs changing to something more severe. I don't think there's a person alive strong enough to hold them back on a lead if they want to attack.

In public, they should also be muzzled so incapable of attacking, but I admit, my preference would be to have all of them euthanased.

Nothing will ever make them remotely safe. They are genetically flawed.

Muzzles prevent biting (or should, as long as properly fitted and don't come off!). They would not stop a determined dog killing a smaller dog though through sheer body force.

I saw a no-neck thug trying to walk one last year. He had no chance if it had flipped out.

There was a thread recently about a SM thing "Which would you rather meet if you were alone in the woods? A man or a bear?"

People were falling over themselves to say "bear" because men are so dangerous. This is an urban version.

Saw this yesterday

I think there have been around 25 deaths from these dogs so far this year?!

At the risk of sound like the guy from Jurassic Park- they should all be destroyed. There is one that lives by us and it is absolutely huge, extremely reactive and always on guard for something to attack. The owners have taken to keeping it locked because they know they can’t control it.

That is no life for a dog. Damn those selfish greedy morons who bred them in the first place.

Can you really trust that the type of moron who owns one of these dogs buys a sufficient muzzle and puts it on correctly?

Even if they did by some miracle I don't doubt for a second that the dog could get it off or still cause serious damage even without it's jaws.

A lot of XL Bully attacks never made the media. There must be several hundred serious injuries as well as deaths. My neighbour had his right hand bitten off by one when he was a security guard in 2019 in Bradford. It never made the media. He daren't go out of the house as these dogs are used for intimidation and fighting. Anyone who thinks this is a good pet knows nothing about dogs.

It worries me that the owners are all so deluded. If they genuinely think their dog is lovely are they really going to muzzle it whenever it is out in public or only when they think they might get caught?! Even if everyone neuters these dogs it’s still going to be 10 years before the numbers remaining are only those that have illegally slipped through the net.

it’s not just XL bullies, we need a dog licensing programme. You can’t drive a car without a licence and you shouldn’t be able to own a dog without proper dog training classes etc. to many idiot owners out there.

They are just as dangerous indoors as out. The ban should have included a cull.

You mean worldwide? Afaik there have just been the two widely reported ones in the UK.
That’s still two too many, of course.