Another XL Bully has killed a woman

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Hornchurch: Woman dies in XL bully attack at home www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-69041493

She was the owner and sounds like she had a couple of them. They were registered but clearly that doesn't and didn't stop this preventable death.

There is a YouTube channel where someone has a panther that they keep in their house as a pet, but my understanding is that the feline genome is not as malleable as the canine is?

For some reason Two seems to be an age where aggressive attacks happen with these Pitbull crosses.

There definitely seems to be a hair-trigger aggression with them.

There was a skinny little runty man really battling to control a Bull breed - it was fixated on a small, quiet,well mannered dog-

The owner with small dog crossed the road with her nice dog.

These Bully owners are too weak to control them, putting other people and other dogs in danger.

A dog rescue site in Scotland has some iffy looking dogs which can’t be with other dogs —or other animals-or children or be mixing with other people

They are basically unrehomable.

Anyone living rurally needs a dog who won’t tear into sheep or cattle.

Now attacks in homes are happening- That’s not surprising.
Mia Derouen ,4,was so say “nannied “by an XL Bully- but it suddenly developed a strange look in it’s eyes-
Mia’s mother tried to get Mia away from the dog ( Nico(?)- but it “Wanted the little girl” and saw her as prey.

The dog was “Demonically roaring “ Police in USA needed counselling for what they witnessed that awful day.
A lot of U.K. Bullies are related to this one which is a known human aggressive line.

Apparently, the little boy in Hull was savaged in a drug dealer's house, after his mother took him in to buy drugs. A passing motorist took them to hospital, then had to go back to get his scalp.

Anyone feeling sorry for these brutes and their stupid, brutish owners is a complete idiot.

Whilst it's not necessarily a bad thing to ask for muzzles in public, dogs to be registered etc, it has pretty much always been the case that fatal dog attacks seem to happen in domestic settings (where there are no legal mitigations) so I'm slightly dubious about how the new legislation will minimise them.
There was a horrendous story of a young boy killed by a dog in a caravan a few years ago. He was alone in the caravan with the dog iirc.
Often people are killed by dogs known to them, belonging to family or friends....in the dogs home....which could, and is, still happening....

There really needs to be a harder line taken here. When the legislation came into place there was so much 'save these babies' posts with photos of dogs looking 'sad'.

But it is also not just the breed - thinking back to the dog walker who was killed her own giant pit bull (a rescue dog) plus the rest. Or the Kennel owner/worker who was killed by a rescue dog sent to him for rehabilitation by the police (which left 5 children orphaned).

People complain about not being able to adopt dogs from rescue places but maybe these charities have a point. Maybe potential adopters do not have the proper facilities, experience etc to take on a rescue so they get a puppy, ruin that and it ends up in a rescue place. Just one giant catch 22 situation.

Totally agree.

Our government have totally failed the public on this one. XL bully's (aka pitbull types) were already legislated against in the DDA. They had already become a problem by 2021 when that poor 10 year old boy was ripped to shreds by one and still the government didn't act for another 2.5 years when so many more people and animals had been attacked by them.

Instead of waiting too long to introduce a few pathetic rules they should have done what most people want them to do - strengthen what was already in place and enact a destruction policy for all these bull terrier type breeds. No exclusion and widely encompassing. Bull baiting and dog fighting breeds only exist because of human intervention and they have no place in modern society. They don't.

Humans should now intervene again and end their existence permanently.

I do entirely get this reasoning, but I think there is still value in the ban - it makes owning these dogs more difficult (mandatory muzzling outside, no off lead exercise), more expensive and less socially acceptable. All those things reduce the market for breeders.

Footage of the incident on the little boy apparently has the female owner of the dog pleading with police not to hurt it 🙄

There was also another attack on a 15 year old boy that day, in South Wales. Hospitalised but not "life changing injuries". Honestly can't imagine anyone being attacked by a dog like that and not being mentally scarred for a very long time.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a ban but I'm mindful of its limits.
And (I know this is stereotyping) a significant percentage of owners will be the type of people who don't think the law or any guidance applies to them or worry about being socially acceptable in the first place (and if they have a huge and aggressive dog with them, I imagine not many people will be brave enough to challenge that! )

Appalling and horrifying but I think we have to expect that anyone who owns a pit bull type canine is either deluded about its true nature (all they see is a fur baby) and/or extremely arrogant and feels they have a right to dominate and intimidate others.

Your best hope of survival is if you are able to choke the creature using its lead and collar. Do not stop at the point of unconsciousness because it will spring back to life and carry on attacking you.
If you are in the vicinity of off lead Pitbull type canines it might be worth carrying heavy duty choke chain in your pocket.

think we have to expect that anyone who owns a pit bull type canine is either deluded about its true nature (all they see is a fur baby) and/or extremely arrogant and feels they have a right to dominate and intimidate others.

Or is just as thick as mince.

Totally agree that a significant percentage don’t care about the law or being socially acceptable.
Hopefully those who have complied will turn their anger on them.
Then there will be less of this nonsense spouted “if you see an XL without a muzzle …no you didn’t, mind your own business”

I think we’re going to see more attacks in homes because these dogs aren’t being taken out and exercised. You can’t have dogs that physical and large cooped up in tiny council houses with backyards without them going mad. The one that lives in our area ( but thankfully not near me) never seems to come out of the house. Not saying they should be out in public but I think it will add to the problem

I don't disagree with you but the real problem, the underlying problem, is that these animals are kept as pets in the first place.
They are completely unsuited to being kept as pets.

The ONLY solution is a cull, but people will never agree to it.

Agree with you on this.
Mostly dogs are cute sweet companion animals and because of that people are very sentimental about them.
In my eyes Pitbull type canines are not at all cute or sweet, they look dangerous and threatening. But I can see that, to the owners and those who are very loved up about dogs, they all come under the umbrella of 'fur baby'.

Our neighbor had a huge one. It ran into my son and stole his ice lolly out of his hand knocked my boy over and ran off. I shouted after his owner and he said oh sorry.

2 days later it ripped the other dog it lived with to pieces and the woman only survived by climbing over our fence and locking herself in our house. Police had to seal our road off and shoot it.

It gets worse.
They tried to sue the police for killing their dog

A guy near me walks his Cane Corso always on lead. No muzzle. Yet this dog is reactive to other dogs and he has to tie it to a pole or fence if he spots another dog.

This is a grown man and he can't control his very large dog.

In another incident, an off lead staffy type which has previously attacked other dogs, mauled to death a tiny dog. Nothing being done as it was dog on dog.

Something with the law needs to change.

But if the XL Pit has a child or pet in its maw, how to get a choke chain over its head? - never used one, assume they are like a circle?

Choking out IS the only way, according to people who have had to intervene.

The strap or chain has to be very high up behind the ears-

Doesn't sound easy.

This is a video that he calls ''A life or death experience''

Doesn't sound easy
You are not wrong @oakleaffy it would be extremely difficult frightening and dangerous.
They should not be kept as pets because they are all but unstoppable once they attack.

It doesn't help. I looked after a dog for a while, not an XL but a big strong breed
Under exercised, over fed and the mum let it "hold" the children's arms/hands in its mouth as it was funny

It guarded with me one day, low growling and went to bite by lunging at me. It's not ideal but I took him out the house immediately and we walked, and walked until he was too bloody tired to think about biting me, it was just an instinctive reaction

I exercised him with long walks and brain training games for 6 months and he was a much happier healthy dog who was shattered by the end of the day! He was getting maybe 30/45 min walks once a day before and I ended up doing a couple of hours a day and taking him to the stables to run the fields too

Totally different to an XL (I don't like them, would never have one and think it's a mix of awful genetics and bad owners)

Completely agree with you.
They are a ''Perfect Storm'' in that they are :

*Aggressive by DNA {Fighting breed}
*Don't take notice of appeasement signals from other dogs {Our Vet practice said this}
*Far too strong for the average weedy insecure owner who is drawn to them
*Tend to be owned by idiots.

Too dangerous and unpredictable around people and other dogs.

Of course the situation is made worse because these dogs tend to be owned by people who are unsuitable.
BUT, even with a good owner a pitbull type dog is too much of a risk.

No doubt the attacks will continue until whichever silly government is in place decides that a cull is necessary, only they won't because they won't want to upset the feral low IQ fools who keep these things.

Expect much handwringing and minor tinkering with the law which is already in place. These out of control, highly entitled, feral people are slowly taking over society.