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Is this normal for a 10 year old boy?

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Lawcruncher · 17/05/2024 12:01

Recently my 10 year old (year 5) nephew ‘B’ came to stay with us. I don’t get to see him often due to distance and was really looking forward to this trip. It was easter holidays, his mum had a routine hospital visit and my brother (his dad) had to work, so I was glad to help out by looking after him for a few days. The experience has left me concerned for his wellbeing, and I am not sure what to do. I feel like I should speak to my brother, but I am worried about causing a family rift. I would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, as currently I feel very conflicted.

I could write so much more here about all the things that concerned me but I’m not sure people would want to read all that, so I will summarise as best I can.
He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time.

He cannot use a knife and fork. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV.

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and everything is always someone else’s fault. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

When my brother collected him at the end of the visit I mentioned what it had been like and he just dismissed it with ‘yeah, that’s what 10 year old boys are like!’ and didn’t seem bothered in the slightest.

I know other people with kids similar ages and have not seen anything like this. It was almost like watching a 2/3 year old toddler in a 10 year olds body. We have 2 girls of our own, both at Uni now, and by the time they were 6 or 7 they were fully capable of eating a meal using cutlery, and could tie shoe laces. They didn’t burst into tears at the smallest thing, and were socially able. They had friends, played outside and participated in sports/clubs. By age 10 they were so much more capable and independent then B is.

So is this normal for a 10 year old boy? Am I right or wrong to be concerned? Should I say something to his parents?

OP posts:
Jeannie88 · 18/05/2024 19:11

Completey normal for a child who is later developing or with some sort of special need and I'm sure your brother is more than aware.

jellybe · 18/05/2024 19:12

My 10 year old boy would happily spend all day on a computer/ iPad if we let him so I'd say that is pretty normal the want to do that and the want to talk about the computer game he is currently into.

However, the rest is unusual I'd say. My 10 year old can use cutlery fine and showers himself. Sorts out straightforward lunch stuff like a sandwich for himself etc.

Sounds like your brother and sister in law have mollycoddled him and he hasn't been taught any skills or self resilience.

Noodles1234 · 18/05/2024 19:13

Doesn’t sound normal to me, possibly being fussy is a maybe as some kids can be even if bought up with healthy eating.

However it feels like he isn’t used to many social interactions. Maybe his parents are very busy work wise or he has undiagnosed additional needs? The whole screen thing won’t help.

I would say the experience would have benefited him so well done.

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Pippetypoppity · 18/05/2024 19:24

Yes I think this sounds very normal. Very normal indeed. Normal for kids with disinterested (or troubled) parents who rely on an electronic baby sitter and don’t raise their child in the way you would hope a 10 year old should be raised. It’s probably salvageable, but the no friends part might have longer term repercussions. They can learn most stuff themselves when they have to but social skills need others. Definitely handle this tactfully as parents possibly don’t even realise it’s unhealthy parenting and you need to support not criticise as I’m sure you realise. Maybe take him out as much as you can yourself.

Askingforafriendtoday · 18/05/2024 19:31

Jeezitneverends · 17/05/2024 12:14

Absolutely not my experience my ds or his pals at that age.

What it does sound like is piss poor lazy parenting

This. I am a mum to 5, 3 boys, 2 girls, and a sibling of 4. Not remotely normal, in my experience of my own children and their friends... age range 14 to 3.

SocialiteandCoffee · 18/05/2024 19:32

This isn't normal at all. Most parents tell you that their kids are only allowed a small amount of time on devices but it always becomes more than what was specified. Policing screen time is exhausting. But is still a parental responsobility.

Shoe laces, knives and forks, table manners, diet... etc etc etc these are all learned behaviours so someone should be teaching him.

Children are not naturally fat.

This is a problem here.

MayNov · 18/05/2024 19:40

My 2 year old uses her fork for most meals. Don’t know if that’s normal or abnormal…

Devonbabs · 18/05/2024 19:46

No not normal behaviour. I suspect there’s nothing wrong other than lazy parenting and him being a spoiled brat!

Julietta05 · 18/05/2024 19:51

I only read the original post and I must say that a lot of parents work full time and they struggled to fit hobbys/ clubs. It is really a struggle parents have 2 children with some age difference when e.g someone works shied and they cannot accommodate late evenings when they have a toddler. Once they grow up it is difficult to find a football club for them knowing that they don't know how to kick the fall and they stick out like a sore thumb.
Having said that a lot of parents gave up, they choose easy option and treat tv and games as a nanny.
I don't make excuses for anyone, I totally agree with you OP, I think nowadays we prepare children to fail because how this little human can know what they are good at? What they enjoy? What they don't enjoy?

Lancrelady80 · 18/05/2024 19:51

Gut instinct...a lot of the things you mention, especially in combination with each other, scream ND to me. Made worse of course by what sounds like weak parenting. DS 10, who does have SEN, struggles with cutlery, can not yet swim or ride a bike (not for lack of trying on our part) but can after a long, long time do laces and is slowly improving with cutlery. It is much harder if a child is ND, but you don't just roll over and give up.

With regard to screen time, it's possibly not as bad as it sounds...you can set limits as op mentioned eg 7am to 8pm BUT ALSO put an overall time limit of eg 1 hour per day. So whenever those 60 mins are up, so is the screen time. Of course, that depends on parents having set it up that way.

If he does have additional needs, his parents need to be significantly more on it than those of "typical" children in order to mitigate these and help him get better with things such as cutlery, laces, social interactions. But it sounds as if both are minimising the issues and SIL in particular is babying him still. Whichever it is, they are doing him zero favours.

MitchellMum · 18/05/2024 20:06

This describes my child who is also a 10 year old boy. He is autistic, with additional diagnosis of ADHD, Dyslexia, Visual Stress and developmental co ordination disorder. He has an EHCP.

How can people say this is lazy parenting? It's actually pretty exhausting parenting a 10 year old who is more like a toddler than a ten year old.

Do they suspect any neurodiversity?

Gagaandgag · 18/05/2024 20:12

Hi Op - I’ve read your update and stand with my original post - SEND and poor parenting.
I can imagine what a difficult situation you are in because by pointing out the issues you are scrutinising their lifestyle and the sil doesn’t sound approachable. Maybe she has SEND too?

Countryrabbit · 18/05/2024 20:13

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

You can't mean this!

Havesome2024 · 18/05/2024 20:14

What was your brother like at that age?

Gagaandgag · 18/05/2024 20:15

MitchellMum · 18/05/2024 20:06

This describes my child who is also a 10 year old boy. He is autistic, with additional diagnosis of ADHD, Dyslexia, Visual Stress and developmental co ordination disorder. He has an EHCP.

How can people say this is lazy parenting? It's actually pretty exhausting parenting a 10 year old who is more like a toddler than a ten year old.

Do they suspect any neurodiversity?

I am also a parent of an 8 year old with a very similar diagnosis to your son and yes it is exhausting. But I disagree - There are many examples the op gives which are poor parenting

Angrywife · 18/05/2024 20:18

Absolutely not normal if parents actually give a damn and engage with their kids!
I've had 3 boys and work with children, what you describe is very far from normal. I'd go so far as to say his parents are neglecting him

fedupandstuck · 18/05/2024 20:20

@MitchellMum they're not calling you a lazy parent. This child apparently does not have a diagnosis of any additional needs, no one has sought that for him. He likely doesn't have an EHCP as school are happy with him and he hasn't got any issues there. He's just being left to his own devices, literally.

How can anyone justify that he eats on his own every day in front of the TV using his hands. I have a child with SEN and an EHCP, we sit and eat together as a family, no screens, and he can use cutlery. He has limits on screen time and does activities with us outside the home. That's what's not happening for this child, it seems. The dad thinks that his level of ability is normal and in fact typical for 10 year old boys,

TravelBunnie · 18/05/2024 20:27

It sounds like he maybe on the autistic spectrum with dyspraxia . It would be worth your brother speaking to the school to see their thoughts . I say this as a mother to a 13 yr old boy and 11 year old girl with autism and dyspraxia plus sensory issues could be at play.

LakeSnake · 18/05/2024 20:46

@TravelBunnie i had the same thought.

Otherwise, very very poor parenting from the parents.

Orangeandlemonsquash · 18/05/2024 20:53

Devonbabs · 18/05/2024 19:46

No not normal behaviour. I suspect there’s nothing wrong other than lazy parenting and him being a spoiled brat!

The parenting doesn't sound ideal, but actually there's a lot in what the OP has said that indicates possible neurodiversity too.

Nellieinthebarn · 18/05/2024 21:02

He sounds like my DSS when he was about this age. DSS is a lovely lad, and I love him to bits. He has a diagnosis of ASD and dyspraxia.

MagicFarawayTea · 18/05/2024 21:02

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

Jesus you think this is normal? WTF? Do you have kids? Nothing about this sounds normal to me. I have 3 kids, 2 of them boys. Neither of them were like this at 10.
I was very disturbed by several things here: allowing the iPad for 10+ hours a day, being allowed to watch film in bed, crying so easily ( at 10?) sleeping with lights on, not being able/trusted to pee / brush teeth/ use cutlery etc. This just screams lazy parenting to me. This child sounds like they have not had structure/boundaries and this is the end result. What a sad little boy.

Devonbabs · 18/05/2024 21:02

Orangeandlemonsquash · 18/05/2024 20:53

The parenting doesn't sound ideal, but actually there's a lot in what the OP has said that indicates possible neurodiversity too.

But then the parents should be addressing that.

I have ADHD, tbh I’m fed up with basically poor parenting being excused with - oh they’re ND. Yes it makes it harder but if a 10 year old can’t eat with a fork, then he either has such additional needs the parents should have spotted it and gotten help or it isn’t that bad and they can’t be arsed.

ND isn’t an excuse, it’s a guide to better tailor how to help a child.

celticprincess · 18/05/2024 21:20

I work in a special school with children who have additional needs - mostly autistic - and this is how they present. I’d say that either the nephew has additional needs such as these or there’s been some very neglectful parenting. A lot of the autistic kids also have coordination issues/dyspraxia/hypermobility etc any of which could cause issues around eating skills and dressing skills. Also alot of autistic children have limited diets. Many parents struggle to know how to interact for long periods of time when they are not at school so it’s not uncommon they they spend a lot of time on devices. Being only able to hold a conversation around a special interest is also a key trait as social communication skills including small talk are limited.

Edited to add. I also have an autistic teen. They aren’t in special school. They can get dressed and eat properly but they do need support with showering. Their small talk is often around their specialist subject but they can answer questions asked at the dinner table. Although ‘how was your day’ usually ends up with an answer that details every single minute of the day and/or subject lesson they have had at school. They are hyper mobile though and did struggle for a while with shoe laces and some aspects of dressing. But as we had identified this as parents we had things in place to help.

I know some people on here are ND and are sick of it being linked to poor behaviour and used as excuses, however for some children who are ND and have some extra complexities then these could be all part of it. But all ND people are different.

rhianfitz · 18/05/2024 21:28

They sound completely disinterested in him, poor boy