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Is this normal for a 10 year old boy?

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Lawcruncher · 17/05/2024 12:01

Recently my 10 year old (year 5) nephew ‘B’ came to stay with us. I don’t get to see him often due to distance and was really looking forward to this trip. It was easter holidays, his mum had a routine hospital visit and my brother (his dad) had to work, so I was glad to help out by looking after him for a few days. The experience has left me concerned for his wellbeing, and I am not sure what to do. I feel like I should speak to my brother, but I am worried about causing a family rift. I would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, as currently I feel very conflicted.

I could write so much more here about all the things that concerned me but I’m not sure people would want to read all that, so I will summarise as best I can.
He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time.

He cannot use a knife and fork. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV.

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and everything is always someone else’s fault. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

When my brother collected him at the end of the visit I mentioned what it had been like and he just dismissed it with ‘yeah, that’s what 10 year old boys are like!’ and didn’t seem bothered in the slightest.

I know other people with kids similar ages and have not seen anything like this. It was almost like watching a 2/3 year old toddler in a 10 year olds body. We have 2 girls of our own, both at Uni now, and by the time they were 6 or 7 they were fully capable of eating a meal using cutlery, and could tie shoe laces. They didn’t burst into tears at the smallest thing, and were socially able. They had friends, played outside and participated in sports/clubs. By age 10 they were so much more capable and independent then B is.

So is this normal for a 10 year old boy? Am I right or wrong to be concerned? Should I say something to his parents?

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Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 18/05/2024 21:34

I've been reflecting a bit on this (already posted upthread) and I think some responses regarding bad parenting are a bit harsh. I'm assuming here the child had an undiagnosed additional need, in fact I'm convinced of it. Dealing with a child like this is extremely difficult and draining. Lets face it, parents of neurotypical kids dont get it, its 10 times harder. Their parenting may have been no worse than the usual parent of a NT child, but has been totally inadequate for this child. It is possible they have tried NT parenting strategies and 'failed' in their own mind and have just given up and somehow convinced themselves that this is normal. I think the biggest issue here is them not recognising the problem and seeking support. Please intervene OP even if it risks upsetting them, you absolutely need to look out for DNs well-being.

Luio · 18/05/2024 21:48

I teach this age group and it is really not normal although some of them do game a lot. However, 10yr olds who game a lot are perfectly capable at doing other things. It is either dire parenting, special needs or a bit of both.

Bubbles90 · 18/05/2024 22:06

This sounds like child abuse. That poor boy. He is going to be bullied something terrible when he gets to high school. I can't believe his parents do not have an evening meal with him or converse with him. This makes me want to cry on this behalf.

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LakeSnake · 18/05/2024 22:08

Devonbabs · 18/05/2024 21:02

But then the parents should be addressing that.

I have ADHD, tbh I’m fed up with basically poor parenting being excused with - oh they’re ND. Yes it makes it harder but if a 10 year old can’t eat with a fork, then he either has such additional needs the parents should have spotted it and gotten help or it isn’t that bad and they can’t be arsed.

ND isn’t an excuse, it’s a guide to better tailor how to help a child.

Tailored help doesn’t mean the child can overcome everything though.

Tailored help doesn’t reduce bring extra sensitive (textures, sounds), have a restricted diet or suddenly be able to socialise easily.

But also accessing tailored help, which needs a diagnosis, isn’t easy in the first place.

SaffaIrish · 18/05/2024 22:10

This is definitely not normal. This is shocking parenting. Google the impact of screen time on adolescent development. Your nephew exemplifies every risk factor. Inability to self-regulate, lack of social skills, poor mental and physical health are just some of the risks. Your nephew is addicted to screen time. His future is bleak. Anyone thinking this is normal needs to look in the mirror and wonder how their parenting is leading to the abuse of their own children.

Maelil01 · 18/05/2024 22:13

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

Normal for a 10 year old ?!?!

dragonscannotswim · 18/05/2024 22:29

No, none of this is normal. Your brother and SIL have done a terrible job of parenting your nephew. Fucking shocking!

They haven't taught him to use cutlery!!! The poor boy, eating by himself in front of a screen every night. No wonder he didn't know how to behave.

His parents should be shot. They are failing him in so many ways.

What are you going to do about it, op?

dragonscannotswim · 18/05/2024 22:31

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

Don't be daft. Not using cutlery, kicking a ball, riding a bike, having no friends and no interests? Not fucking normal at all.

dragonscannotswim · 18/05/2024 22:32

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 18/05/2024 21:34

I've been reflecting a bit on this (already posted upthread) and I think some responses regarding bad parenting are a bit harsh. I'm assuming here the child had an undiagnosed additional need, in fact I'm convinced of it. Dealing with a child like this is extremely difficult and draining. Lets face it, parents of neurotypical kids dont get it, its 10 times harder. Their parenting may have been no worse than the usual parent of a NT child, but has been totally inadequate for this child. It is possible they have tried NT parenting strategies and 'failed' in their own mind and have just given up and somehow convinced themselves that this is normal. I think the biggest issue here is them not recognising the problem and seeking support. Please intervene OP even if it risks upsetting them, you absolutely need to look out for DNs well-being.

Why do you jump to SN?? The op didn't mention that.

Modompodom · 18/05/2024 22:35

He sounds like my grandson, who has ASD and hypermobility amongst other things. He is 11, can't tie his shoelaces, and has problems using cutlery. He only eats certain things, doesn't sleep well, and has a dislike to certain clothing He only talks about one subject, which at the moment is football, and he knows all the facts about the players and teams. Before that, his interest was London Transport. He can tell you all the bus routes and tube stations. Could your nephew possibly be on the autistic spectrum?

AgainstTheOddsNo2 · 18/05/2024 23:10

I would bet my mortgage that he is neurodiverse. Most likely autistic. Potentially comorbid with dyspraxia...

This explains all of that. And if so, the parents sound like they are doing a good job of meeting and normalising his needs.

Anonymous2025 · 18/05/2024 23:16

Sounds like he might be neurodiverse ? Do you know if this is a possibility ?

mistymoon7 · 18/05/2024 23:23

Hmm.... I can only say this. My daughter of the same age is autistic and honestly? I could have just been reading about her. Obsessional interests? Yes, talking about one thing constantly? Yes, restricted diet? Yes, trouble making friends? Yes, Difficulty using cutlery? Yes (due to difficulties with fine motor skills) emotional meltdowns over the slightest thing? Definitely! She also shifts blame when things go wrong, although I don't know if that is necessarily an autistic trait, it's still interesting! She also needs prompting to get dressed, help to select appropriate clothes, prompting to go the toilet etc. The only difference is that she really loves to have baths, showers etc (although does need help!) but I know a lot of kids on the spectrum are the opposite and that could be why, maybe, he only has one bath a week.
Of course I could be completely wrong with my speculation, but, it might be something worth looking in to.

Roo07 · 18/05/2024 23:24

Sounds like my son and I’m having him assessed for autism. Although my son only has 1 hand so that is why he can’t use cutlery properly or tie shoe laces. My son cries at everything and believes he is the victim even when he instigates the problem. He is never wrong and never to blame. Everything is bloody hard work with him. I also have two teenage daughters and a younger daughter yet my 10 year old son causes me more stress then they ever do and my eldest daughter has adhd!

TheFunHasGone · 18/05/2024 23:54

Well 2 of my dc have asd , spd and dyspraxia well, the youngest is dyspraxic and still at 11 he can't ride a bike well

Both struggle with food in different ways due to textures, at 11 and 13 they aren't great at tieing shoes and one still bed wets occasionally but that's due to hormones that don't kick in for some dc quite late

I think the issue is they don't seem to think there's a problem so aren't supporting him , I don't think there's any reason why he can't use a fork for example , even if he struggles with a knife using just a spoon at 10 is definitely not the norm

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/05/2024 23:56

It very much sounds like your nephew has not been taught things that normal children have. By 4 years of age most children are taught to brush their own teeth, use cutlery, tie their shoes, etc. Being a child who can't do these must be frustrating for him. Maybe that is why he has outbursts around you. He has to notice how other children eat, use knives and forks, eat an expanded diet, etc.

He trusts you enough to share his feelings, that is why he has emotional outbursts. He knows something is wrong. He seems to be isolated and ignored by his parents. You need to have a sincere discussion with your brother.

florenceandthemac · 18/05/2024 23:58

I can't believe so many people are saying this is normal.
I have a 10yo DS, and I have friends with 10 year olds (both boys and girls) and none of them are like this..!
He's going to struggle at high school

Orangeandlemonsquash · 19/05/2024 00:47

Devonbabs · 18/05/2024 21:02

But then the parents should be addressing that.

I have ADHD, tbh I’m fed up with basically poor parenting being excused with - oh they’re ND. Yes it makes it harder but if a 10 year old can’t eat with a fork, then he either has such additional needs the parents should have spotted it and gotten help or it isn’t that bad and they can’t be arsed.

ND isn’t an excuse, it’s a guide to better tailor how to help a child.

I'm not sure why you jump to equating ND with an 'excuse'.
What it is is one of the possible reasons this child might be struggling.

Orangeandlemonsquash · 19/05/2024 00:51

dragonscannotswim · 18/05/2024 22:32

Why do you jump to SN?? The op didn't mention that.

People who live with or teach children with SN recognise it in the OP's description of the child.
I think that's why.

dragonscannotswim · 19/05/2024 01:11

But the OP doesn't mention it? Why don't you think it's a parenting fail/lack of experience in the boy?

MitchellMum · 19/05/2024 04:26

Gagaandgag · 18/05/2024 20:15

I am also a parent of an 8 year old with a very similar diagnosis to your son and yes it is exhausting. But I disagree - There are many examples the op gives which are poor parenting

Yes...there is possibly some poor parenting involved but I also have to say that when it comes to parenting a ND child a lot of the received wisdom around "good parenting" works only for NT children. E.g. screen time can be highly regulating for a ND child who has been dysregulated by being at school all week.

Also, the child's distress over the weekend points to some challenges around change of routine or transition; again, another indicator of ND.

I can say that my child eats solely with his hands or a spoon and a lot of meals I end up putting in a bun to support this. He absolutely HAS been taught to use cutlery and can do it but due to sensory needs and fine motor skill issues he doesnt use cutlery and as I try my best to be ND affirming, I allow this (some of his fine motor skills have been assessed as being 1st percentile by the pediatric O.T. team at our city hospital). I always feel there is a lack of understanding in the general public and the level of parent bashing is worrying for me. But I suppose the difference is I brought it up with my pediatrician who referred to O.T. for support, I took him to the assessments and follow the O.T. plan developing his motor skills.

The biggest mistake this little boys parents are making is not reaching out for help. However, we don't actually know that they aren't.....they may be and not have shared that info with SIL.

I do acknowledge that as a SEN parent I advocate for SEN disabilities and am happy for my child to have a diagnosis so he can received the support & living allowance he deserves. I recognise some parents of children with SEN seem to ignore it in the hope it might go away. I can't imagine the chaos in their homes....mine is chaotic enough without adding in a point blank refusal to engage with the challenges in your child.

I'm not sure what you can do OP. Maybe offer to have him for another weekend and see what happens that time?

Devonbabs · 19/05/2024 04:28

Orangeandlemonsquash · 19/05/2024 00:47

I'm not sure why you jump to equating ND with an 'excuse'.
What it is is one of the possible reasons this child might be struggling.

Mmmm I think I said “ it isn’t an excuse”.

Yes it is one possible reason. I was querying why, in this day and age, if this is the reason and was severe enough that it was causing all these issues the parents had seemingly done fuck all about it.

NavyTurtle · 19/05/2024 06:30

Noone seems to be worried about the fact his mother baths him once a week ! He is 10, he should be showering every day. None of his behaviour is 'normal'. I would be very worried if my neices or nephews were behaving like this and would be discussing it with my sibling. Having raised 3 now adults and 9 grandchildren, even the littles can use cutlery and are socially adept. This lad is very worrying.

GrannyHelen1 · 19/05/2024 07:11

Reading your post was like reading a description of my (autistic) grandson. He's a lovely boy, but exhibits many of the behaviours you describe, and I find it difficult to eat with him. I see a few responses have talked about hormones, but pubescent hormones don't stop you from knowing how to use a knife and fork. I suspect a combination of undiagnosed ASD and really lazy parenting.

3boysmom · 19/05/2024 07:32

Obviously all kids are different however, after having 3 boys this is not something I recognise, as normal behaviour. One or two things wouldn't necessarily be a red flag but, your description doesn't appear to be typical behaviour for this age group. I wonder if he has an undiagnosed learning disability? Or perhaps has he been so molly coddled that he hasn't learnt independence and emotional regulation?

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