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Is this normal for a 10 year old boy?

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Lawcruncher · 17/05/2024 12:01

Recently my 10 year old (year 5) nephew ‘B’ came to stay with us. I don’t get to see him often due to distance and was really looking forward to this trip. It was easter holidays, his mum had a routine hospital visit and my brother (his dad) had to work, so I was glad to help out by looking after him for a few days. The experience has left me concerned for his wellbeing, and I am not sure what to do. I feel like I should speak to my brother, but I am worried about causing a family rift. I would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, as currently I feel very conflicted.

I could write so much more here about all the things that concerned me but I’m not sure people would want to read all that, so I will summarise as best I can.
He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time.

He cannot use a knife and fork. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV.

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and everything is always someone else’s fault. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

When my brother collected him at the end of the visit I mentioned what it had been like and he just dismissed it with ‘yeah, that’s what 10 year old boys are like!’ and didn’t seem bothered in the slightest.

I know other people with kids similar ages and have not seen anything like this. It was almost like watching a 2/3 year old toddler in a 10 year olds body. We have 2 girls of our own, both at Uni now, and by the time they were 6 or 7 they were fully capable of eating a meal using cutlery, and could tie shoe laces. They didn’t burst into tears at the smallest thing, and were socially able. They had friends, played outside and participated in sports/clubs. By age 10 they were so much more capable and independent then B is.

So is this normal for a 10 year old boy? Am I right or wrong to be concerned? Should I say something to his parents?

OP posts:
Bestyearever2024 · 17/05/2024 12:25

Some of you think most of this is NORMAL?

Hes 10!

How can it be normal? Surely he has quite profound additional / special needs?

Portfun24 · 17/05/2024 12:26

No absolutely not normal. My 11 year old is really independent, he's been showering alone for years. He does have to be reminded every bedtime to brush his teeth. He does sometimes use fingers and is told to use cutlery. Other than that none of it is similar. It's so sad he eats alone every meal and is left on devices and sounds like his parents are really babying him. Why have they not taught him to swim or ride a bike, that's ridiculous.

The tears could be hormones my son was a bit emotional sometimes at ten if he got in trouble and can be a bit huffy now but not over the things you've said. This sounds alot like issues his parents have created but he could have something like dyspraxia too that makes it more difficult to use cutlery, swim, ride a bike, tell the time, tie laces, do up buttons etc.

MrsSlocombesCat · 17/05/2024 12:27

Sounds like my son at that age. He has ASD.

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crenellations · 17/05/2024 12:29

My 9yo can't butter toast or tie shoelaces (we're working on them) but fine on all the other things you mention. So no, not normal.

FrenchandSaunders · 17/05/2024 12:30

It sound a thoroughly miserable childhood for him. Why don't they eat with him? Why don't they have rules over screen time and tv time. Why isn't he in clubs/making friends.

It does sound like he has some additional needs if he needs help dressing and washing. Not sure how you can bring this up without causing a rift though.

FlamingoYellow · 17/05/2024 12:31

While a lot of that could be explained away by poor parenting, there could also be undiagnosed additional needs there. Even if his parents are crap at arranging playdates, it's strange that he doesn't have any friends though school. If you get on well enough with his parents you could mention it, but it is a sensitive subject.

arethereanyleftatall · 17/05/2024 12:31

I cannot believe some of the first responses!!

This is TERRIBLE.

It's either horrendous lazy parenting which is basically ruining this child, if it hasn't already, or there are significant disabilities going on here.

Branster · 17/05/2024 12:32

Of course none of this is normal. And to this extent.
I cannot believe this is the 'normal' in some replies already. What world will we be living in when these 'normal' 10 year olds are in their mid 20s and beyond? And they don't improve their behaviour? Who would want to interact with these individuals?

There is no reason for a 10 year old to be overweight and sedentary. This is the parents' fault.
Emotional outbursts at the drop of a hat. Yes, I know, someone would be over shortly to suggest assessment for neurodivergence of some degree. Maybe this is the case or maybe it isn't. Again, parents should be managing this behaviour and seek professional guidance to help the child navigate his emotions and behaviour.
No personal hygiene. Complete reliance on tech. No sports. No table manners. All of these are parents' fault.

I do hope the boy will grow up to become and a level headed, emotionally mature and healthy young man.
But without proper parenting it is very unlikely to happened. In my opinion, it is too late at this age to instil proper rules, boundaries and good habits. I can't see the parents changing their own behaviour to help the boy.
He may well have a personal epiphany moment as an adult when he will change his ways because he wants to, for his own good.

thismummydrinksgin · 17/05/2024 12:32

Sounds like there's some underlying health needs going on to me, even if he hadn't been taught I think he would be able to use cutlery to a certain extent.

Inspireme2 · 17/05/2024 12:34

This sounds terrible.
The lack of a world outside his tv, ipad and eating in front of a TV...oh come on .
Does he have autism?

CountingCrones · 17/05/2024 12:35

Lying about washing and teeth brushing - my ASD child did that as it was a major sensory issue for him, so we had to keep on top of it. But a NT healthy 10 yesar old? nope

Unable to use cutlery - again, if it's a case of SEN, fair enough, he needs support but without some unmentioned issue, all mine could use cutlery properly at 10 and so could their visiting friends.

Buttering toast is more of a knack, if asked to do it he'd soon get the hang of it. If the butter is firm it can be tricky for a kid.

FloofyBear · 17/05/2024 12:35

My DS12 is similar, albeit he can do more for himself, he can use forks and spoons but hates knives. He doesn't tie laces well and I help him with buttons albeit he does half himself. Always needs reminding of teeth, hair, toilet, face etc
He'd stay on electronics all day if he could but we get him to do chores, take the dog for walks with DH and DD, he likes swimming, scouts, biking but always needs prizing from his electronics or telly.
My child is ND, well they both are, so
Somethings I may think are normal but aren't, however we do have to encourage him to do things he likes and enjoys, even if it's hard work, which it often is, but we get around it.
He only eats what he eats, doesn't like food touching too much - particularly beans (in a cup on the plate), and we have to find ways to eat veg, passata he loves, add spinach to this as it makes it popeye (he's eaten this for years), baked beans, broccoli heads, carrots and I occasionally blitz apple or such into other sauces
It may be lazy parenting, or he may be a bit ND, but think he could be guided into more activities - to be honest it's hard work these days if both parents work full time and are knackered at the end of the day 😞

BrutusMcDogface · 17/05/2024 12:35

I agree, this is not typical ten year old behaviour. Does he have any sen? I can’t believe none of this would have been picked up at school, though?

TabithaTimeTurner · 17/05/2024 12:36

RuthW · 17/05/2024 12:14

Yes all normal except the not eating with proper cutlery.

What the hell? How is any of that normal?

Poor boy is obviously neglected - given food and a screen and left to it.

NewUser1111 · 17/05/2024 12:37

Is it possible OP that he has additional needs his parents haven’t told you about for reasons of privacy? I would say a lot of what you say is not normal but some of it (particularly the physical stuff- bike riding, cutlery, swimming) could be down to dyspraxia for example than just plain bad parenting.

I agree you are right to be concerned though- it sounds like he’s leading a very limited life. Poor kid.

vacay · 17/05/2024 12:38

I think he sounds autistic. My Ds very similar

SonicTheHodgeheg · 17/05/2024 12:40

There’s a few possibilities here and it could be a combination of the following

Parents are neglectful and lazy.

Nephew is hyper mobile making using a knife and fork difficult.

Nephew is going through puberty. Weight is often a trigger for starting puberty.

His moods are a result of his diet and over reliance on screens.

His behaviour is not normal imo except for annoyance about the salad garnish. That age was when my kids enjoyed starting to go out with friends and playtime was their favourite time at school because they got to run around rather than have to sit. They enjoyed screens but it wasn’t for hours a day, especially at this time of year where playing out is more pleasant and unlikely to be cut short because of the weather.

xyz111 · 17/05/2024 12:41

My 6 year old does more than you DN can. Which seems normal for a 6 year old.

SonicTheHodgeheg · 17/05/2024 12:41

I am surprised that his peers haven’t commented on the use of fingers when eating but maybe they’ve only seen him eat fast food and school packed lunches which are finger food?

arethereanyleftatall · 17/05/2024 12:43

vacay · 17/05/2024 12:38

I think he sounds autistic. My Ds very similar

Indeed. So the fact that the op hasn't mentioned this at all, and the poor child's parent say this is normal, suggests fairly severe neglect to not even have him diagnosed, not to have even thought about it. For me, this sways in to social services territory doesn't it?

Bestyearever2024 · 17/05/2024 12:44

What will you do,OP?

It appears as though your brother isn't interested enough to make changes

DahliaSmith · 17/05/2024 12:45

This is in line with a ten year old who hasn't been parented to a level which even covers the basics, unless there is a SEN issue present, then no.

Reachforthestars00 · 17/05/2024 12:53

Not normal, but I do recognise aspects of my 10 y/o DS.

My DS would live his life online if he could (gaming and youtube), but is restricted to X hours between Y and Z time by parental controls. He is very social online though, and essentially plays with friends online.

My DS is quite immature, so while he can do things independently, he prefers to ask mum and dad. He needs reminder/supervision to wash and brush teeth. He is fussy with food, but enjoys some quite adventurous stuff too.

My DS swims well, but cannot ride a bike. We have tried but he does not want to learn. He enjoys walking, scooting and playing at the park, and is active when we can get him out of the house. He cannot tie shoelaces yet, but has been known to make himself a slice of toast.

Hormones are kicking in, and we have lots of emotional outbursts. With less maturity, it seems harder for him to manage. He has noticeably grown-up in the last year, so we are getting there. We have another year and a bit until high school.

There are some things I blame covid and lockdown for, but the rest I think is just him. I constantly feel parental guilt, and think I should be doing more, but we'll get there. It sounds like your nephew might need a little more parental attention.

IThinkAdversePossessionApplies · 17/05/2024 12:54

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

What?!? I only got as far as the first reply and felt I had to respond. Grumpiness and some of the things you mentioned are sometimes a feature of 10 year old boys, but personally I would be worried about the overall picture. There are so many things that, on their own, could be put down to boys being 10, but in combination I would be concerned. I think you're going to have to say something to your brother, OP 😕

ontheflighttosingapore · 17/05/2024 12:58

Seems like a lack of parenting to me. He's never been taught the things you are talking about and he should be out and about out on bike scooter etc not in all day getting fat. So sad