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Is this normal for a 10 year old boy?

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Lawcruncher · 17/05/2024 12:01

Recently my 10 year old (year 5) nephew ‘B’ came to stay with us. I don’t get to see him often due to distance and was really looking forward to this trip. It was easter holidays, his mum had a routine hospital visit and my brother (his dad) had to work, so I was glad to help out by looking after him for a few days. The experience has left me concerned for his wellbeing, and I am not sure what to do. I feel like I should speak to my brother, but I am worried about causing a family rift. I would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, as currently I feel very conflicted.

I could write so much more here about all the things that concerned me but I’m not sure people would want to read all that, so I will summarise as best I can.
He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time.

He cannot use a knife and fork. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV.

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and everything is always someone else’s fault. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

When my brother collected him at the end of the visit I mentioned what it had been like and he just dismissed it with ‘yeah, that’s what 10 year old boys are like!’ and didn’t seem bothered in the slightest.

I know other people with kids similar ages and have not seen anything like this. It was almost like watching a 2/3 year old toddler in a 10 year olds body. We have 2 girls of our own, both at Uni now, and by the time they were 6 or 7 they were fully capable of eating a meal using cutlery, and could tie shoe laces. They didn’t burst into tears at the smallest thing, and were socially able. They had friends, played outside and participated in sports/clubs. By age 10 they were so much more capable and independent then B is.

So is this normal for a 10 year old boy? Am I right or wrong to be concerned? Should I say something to his parents?

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Youdontevengohere · 17/05/2024 15:45

Shocked at people saying it’s normal. It really, really isn’t. I have a 10 year old and an 8 year old and both eat with cutlery, dress themselves, shower themselves, go to the toilet when they need to engage in conversation, read, play on parks, ride bikes, swim, etc etc. Either there is some form of SEN going on (I also have an autistic child and some of it rings alarm bells) or he is being neglected on some fronts.

itsmylife7 · 17/05/2024 15:46

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

I'd disagree.
I've raised two children and being very involved with my gc (all boys )

Personally , I wouldn't say anything else to your brother.
Him and his wife are obviously ignoring the concerns that are staring them in the face.

Kalevala · 17/05/2024 16:02

I second the post that said it's not normal for six, let alone ten. Except maybe the swimming, that depends on experience and lessons.

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midlifeattheoasis · 17/05/2024 16:08

It really isn't normal behaviour and It sounds like a very sad existence for him, and like others have said his parents seem neglectful

It must be very upsetting to see

rwa818 · 17/05/2024 16:24

Most of this is not normal at all! I have a 9 year old girl she wouldn't do any of this stuff apart from probably would cry if her iPad wasn't charged for a long car journey (we remind her), she would play on iPad all day if we let her....but we don't

Topsy44 · 17/05/2024 16:31

With the not being able to swim, ride a bike, shoelaces and cutlery, my first thought was possible dyspraxia. My DD (12) has suspected dyspraxia and struggled with these but with practice she can now do all 4 but it did take to Year 6 to ride a bike and the start of this year to tie shoelaces and yes we did practice a lot!!

If he doesn’t stay with you v much and his Mum had a hospital stay I can also understand him being over emotional about some things.

CactusMactus · 17/05/2024 16:41

It doesn't sound normal to me - I have a 10 year old girl and she is very capable (sometimes this can be problematic too!).
But it also doesn't sound like abuse or learning difficulties. Perhaps over protective parenting, perhaps lazy parenting.
Be careful if you do bring this up with your brother.

PopQuizz · 17/05/2024 16:46

Sounds exactly the same kind of things my DSis battles with her DS with on a daily basis as he is diagnosed autistic. She doesn't enable him to be like your nephew but if she did, he would be exactly the same...

Happyhappyday · 17/05/2024 16:48

i only have a 5yo but none of that sounds normal and she is kind on the less advanced end of social/emotional development. But capable of using cutlery (indeed my neighbors 3yo and my 2yo DN both use cutlery more successfully than your DN). She chooses clothes, brushes teeth, gets herself ready for school etc. is responsible for feeding family pets (sometimes forgets). Can wash herself. She will have a 30 second tantrum if we stop her audiobook suddenly sometimes. Has friends at school.

It does sound like mostly incredibly lazy parenting but also maybe some underlying issues?

Kids can definitely get focused on just one interest and like to talk about super boring video games etc.

berksandbeyond · 17/05/2024 16:50

Not remotely normal, your brother sounds like a terrible parent

ZippyZappyZoo · 17/05/2024 16:55

Wtaf. How are so many people saying this is normal? He sounds dyspraxic / autistic / both and if neither then entirely neglected by his parents.

WhenWillTheSunShineIWonder · 17/05/2024 17:08

Sounds like he’s autistic.

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 17/05/2024 17:09

I have a just turned 11 year old DS and no this isn’t normal. He might need a bit of reminding to wash his face etc but he showers every night by himself, uses a knife and fork. He can make a cup of tea, get himself some toast or cereal and gets more and more independent by the day. He has always been a slightly fussy eater but nothing like you describe.

He is way past any kind of tantrums, I don’t even recognise any of this behaviour in my seven year old DD.

It sounds as if his parents might be a bit lazy. I don’t see anything wrong with screen time but certainly not all day and he should be doing some out of school activities.

I feel quite sorry for him especially if he has no friends like you say, that’s hard at his age.

Boxerdor · 17/05/2024 17:16

I’m amazed people think it’s normal for a ten year old to need supervising while bathing, brushing teeth, using the loo and not being able to use a knife and fork, ride a bike,tie laces or swim. None of that is remotely usual for his age. My son is 11 and would be horrified if I bathed him once a week- he showers every morning and I leave him to it like I have for the past few years. However, if no one teaches kids to do these things than how on earth can he learn? It’s not his fault if his parents have never taken the time to take him out on a bike, to a pool or to tie a lace. Poor kid

Hermione7 · 17/05/2024 17:31

This sounds like neglect, borderline abuse. Nothing about this is remotely 'normal'. It's very sad.

thesugarbumfairy · 17/05/2024 17:38

He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. He's a bit hormonal. Thats normal for 10. Its the end of the world if they run out of juice.
I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. - Excessive even during holiday time. Cutoffs are great, yes, but he shouldn't be on it literally ALL DAY.

His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark. He really shouldn't need to watch a screen to fall asleep. 8pm is quite early, but OK for a 10 year old. But depends how much he sleeps. Night light is ok but not a full on light. That does not help with sleep.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. So yes, kids can be a bit toothbrush avoidant. He is quite old to be wetting the bed, but some kids are late with it - my eldest was 9 or 10. Get him to use the toilet, but not be in there with him.

He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He shouldn't, at 10, need help dressing.
doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time. This is grim. Pubescent boys can pong. No-one should be 'bathing' him. He needs to shower with shower gel by himself. He should have been taught a long time ago how to wash himself.

He cannot use a knife and fork. This is appalling. He is clearly capable of maneuvering cutlery, he just chooses not to, because he has never been taught to.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. Poor kid. This is all he knows.

He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. Again poor kid. He must feel so isolated.

None of this is typical. I'm not going to say normal. All kids have their own quirks, especially if they are ND, but this sounds very much like a parenting problem. They are lazy and neglectful.

Loloj · 17/05/2024 17:43

Some of what you have said is normal but most of it is not normal. My 10 year old is really into his games. He would play non-stop if I didn’t intervene and it probably is a bit too much in all honesty.

However, he plays sports (football and rugby), attends swimming lessons and loves playing with other children when he has the opportunity. He can use a knife and fork as well as an adult and we sit around the table at family meal times and he eats what he is given. He doesn’t have meltdowns but would occasionally sulk if he doesn’t get his own way or he gets “told off” for something.

He does need reminding to have a shower - but he will after a small reminder (he’s only 10 but would stink after a couple of days so I insist on a daily shower and deodorant).

From what you have described it sounds like your nephew hasn’t been taught basic skills or had simple boundaries set.

countrysidelife2024 · 17/05/2024 17:56

No its not normal, my 4 year old and my 5 year old son can use cutlery ...

countrysidelife2024 · 17/05/2024 17:56

and my son is autistic

cwoffeee · 17/05/2024 17:57

Just awful. What will life be like for him at 15, 20, 25? This kid is not looking at a happy future.

Can you get the backup of other family members?

DaringlyDizzy · 17/05/2024 17:58

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

Completely normal?? To eat ZERO fruit and veg? TV for 10 hours on a weekend? Unable to stab with a fork? No riding bikes OR books OR swimming? Most definitely not normal! DS is five and can do all the above. A 10 year old would have the skills if they parents had parented and not stuck him in front of a TV endlessly. I am all for screen time but its not healthy for a child to be shoved in front of it EVERY meal time whilst parents are around

Guardiansoulmates · 17/05/2024 18:03

I don't think these are terribly common traits for ten.

I wondered about dyspraxia or autism.

I don't think his parents are necessarily neglectful as we don't know enough about the situation.

Persephonegoddess · 17/05/2024 18:07

iPad needing down time is normal.
Saying he's completed tasks and hasn't cos on electronics - normal lazy boy
Washing, hygiene, unable to use cutlery - not normal and either lazy parents or possible ND
Eating only single types of food - spoilt or ND

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 17/05/2024 18:16

He sounds physically and emotionally immature. I'm not sure that this is due to neglect because neglected children often learn to be more self sufficient, not less.

If I had to guess, I would think that there's some kind of underlying development issue of some kind, and that the child's behaviour was so challenging when younger that the parents stopped encouraging sports, friendships and so on because it was just too difficult and they just wanted him to be happy.

A lot of it is normal in that children often don't like vegetables, but you have to keep offering them. They don't like football, but you keep trying different sports and they find one that suits them. They can't get the hang of tying shoelaces but you revisit it in a month or two and one day they're ready. Either the parents have given up trying at some point, or they're still trying and DS still isn't ready in which case they need to see their GP to see what's going on with him, if they haven't already.

Basicsandwich · 17/05/2024 18:17

He sounds like he might be autistic, the skills gaps, the fixed interests (Fortnite at the dinner table), struggling to understand his part in interactions, restricted diet, high anxiety, frequent meltdowns. It does sound like there may be some parenting differences also contributing, but NT kids have a drive for independence that means that by 10 years old they would not be mollycoddled like that anymore, and also their desire to conform socially would change a lot of these behaviours. This is not true for ND kids, especially with autism, where they may have a 'spiky profile' and in some ways seem like a much younger child than their age. They also do not have the Same awareness of social conformity. I've met a lot of kids with these kinds of differences, but not one of them was NT.