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Is this normal for a 10 year old boy?

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Lawcruncher · 17/05/2024 12:01

Recently my 10 year old (year 5) nephew ‘B’ came to stay with us. I don’t get to see him often due to distance and was really looking forward to this trip. It was easter holidays, his mum had a routine hospital visit and my brother (his dad) had to work, so I was glad to help out by looking after him for a few days. The experience has left me concerned for his wellbeing, and I am not sure what to do. I feel like I should speak to my brother, but I am worried about causing a family rift. I would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, as currently I feel very conflicted.

I could write so much more here about all the things that concerned me but I’m not sure people would want to read all that, so I will summarise as best I can.
He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth and using the toilet before bed, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time.

He cannot use a knife and fork. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers and, after I had to cut it for him, ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV.

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces. He doesn’t read books. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat, and everything is always someone else’s fault. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

When my brother collected him at the end of the visit I mentioned what it had been like and he just dismissed it with ‘yeah, that’s what 10 year old boys are like!’ and didn’t seem bothered in the slightest.

I know other people with kids similar ages and have not seen anything like this. It was almost like watching a 2/3 year old toddler in a 10 year olds body. We have 2 girls of our own, both at Uni now, and by the time they were 6 or 7 they were fully capable of eating a meal using cutlery, and could tie shoe laces. They didn’t burst into tears at the smallest thing, and were socially able. They had friends, played outside and participated in sports/clubs. By age 10 they were so much more capable and independent then B is.

So is this normal for a 10 year old boy? Am I right or wrong to be concerned? Should I say something to his parents?

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IwishMaxTheriothadanOnlyfans · 17/05/2024 18:17

All kids are different - some of this applies to my 10 year old DS but some doesn't. He sounds spoiled and overindulged but I don't really think there's anything you can say or do OP. It's on his parents and if you try to point out their failings, they aren't going to thank you for it sadly.

Sammyk85 · 17/05/2024 18:19

I don’t think he’s lazy OP and going to play devils advocate here.. to me this reads (although no medical professional) a lot like my child who has global dyspraxia- which is massively common in boys- maybe say to your brother- hey brother I noticed some issues nephew has, have you thought about getting him referred to occupational therapy?!
good luck.

MikaC568075217 · 17/05/2024 18:26

Not normal at all, suspect it’s mainly down to shit parenting in this case.

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Waxdrip · 17/05/2024 18:28

1-4 of any of these things would be quirky and within the norm. I think all of them together is concerning.

Yummybumble · 17/05/2024 19:48

This is not normal! I would suggest that it is verging on neglectful and what you have just described is why half our teenagers struggle mentally and socially.

However, beyond encouragement of him to find interests outside his sphere he isn’t your child and therefore you have very little influence.

PippetyPoppetyPie · 17/05/2024 19:57

Absolutely not normal in my experience. My ds is also 10. He throws tantrums still if he doesn’t get his own way but the rest of it he hasn’t done for years!

CrepuscularWeasel · 17/05/2024 20:02

That sounds more extreme than my autistic 10yr old with DCD who attends special school.

CrispieCake · 17/05/2024 20:07

Waxdrip · 17/05/2024 18:28

1-4 of any of these things would be quirky and within the norm. I think all of them together is concerning.

This. Elements of this could be normal and very few parents are perfect and 'on it' with everything, but the whole package together sounds very worrying.

badatdecisions · 17/05/2024 20:08

Lipolio · 17/05/2024 12:11

I was VERY much like that as a 10 year old. I was overly coddled and my parents wouldn't let me do a thing around the house. I had no friends at school and no social skills and would spend my day playing on the computer.

But did you eat baked potatoes with a spoon/your fingers, not be able to use cutlery, and wet your bed?

fiddleleaffig · 17/05/2024 20:10

He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey could be normal if tired stressed. Very mood dependent. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark normal.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth normal and using the toilet before bed not normal, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed not normal. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning not normal. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week not normal. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time. normal

He cannot use a knife and fork not normal. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad not normal. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers normal and, after I had to cut it for him normal ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite normal. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV. that's just sad, but unfortunately quite normal

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV normal. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces depends on parents - but not unsual. He doesn’t read books normal unfortunately. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat not normal and everything is always someone else’s fault normal. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato I have a very fussy eater who is similar despite me trying and his siblings being excellent eaters, so not unusual. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

I mix of normal tween behaviour, and very babyish behaviour. The crying constantly is incredibly strange and concerning. But that could be what he's just grown used to - cry and he gets his own way so not necessarily anything underlying except shit parenting

OvalLemon · 17/05/2024 20:12

OP, this is so sad. I’m not sure why people are saying this is normal?! It’s not!! Or are they just lazy parents too. My son is 3 he can eat with a knife and fork, can spread butter and is well socialised. I’m sorry but I think your nephew’s attributes all stem from how he has been raised and maybe neglect. There is no reason for a young child to be very overweight, it’s down to the parents here to provide nutrition and get him
engaged in other activities than the iPad. What do your parents think of this?

Spudthespanner · 17/05/2024 20:14

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

It's not normal in the slightest.

None of it is normal.

OP, I know a boy who is the same age and similar in a lot of the things you described. He is autistic. Surely all of these developmental delays have been noted and flagged at school?

whatthejuice · 17/05/2024 20:15

I've a 6 and 3 year old, and most of this doesn't apply to either of them!
The only things I recognise are laces and lights at night - albeit we use small nightlights not the main one.
I feel terribly sorry for your DN. This is going to start to really impede his life soon, if it hasn't already. I think you have to speak to your brother about this.

Grazie234 · 17/05/2024 20:25

I have 3 sons who have passed age 10 (and one almost there) and this is not my experience at all and the same for any of their many friends/ male cousins. One of my sons has additional needs as he does need CONSTANT reminders to brush teeth and shower every day.

Eating together as a family at least one or two nights a week if so beneficial for kids.

I think it sounds like his parents are failing him, either by not showing him how to behave or not recognising there's some kind of additional needs at play. Poor kid.

HcbSS · 17/05/2024 20:25

Not normal. He sounds like a spoilt brat! Not his fault, it’s the fault of lousy parenting.

mollyfolk · 17/05/2024 20:26

fiddleleaffig · 17/05/2024 20:10

He arrived in tears because his ipad had run out of battery on the car journey could be normal if tired stressed. Very mood dependent. That was my brothers fault because he didn’t remind him to charge it. In the instructions for looking after him I was told that he is only allowed to play on his ipad between 7am and 8pm. His bedtime is 8pm and he is allowed to watch 1 DVD in bed, to help him fall asleep. He sleeps with the light on all night as he doesn’t like the dark normal.

He needs to be supervised brushing his teeth normal and using the toilet before bed not normal, otherwise he won’t do it but will say he has. If he doesn’t use the toilet before bed he will wet the bed not normal. He needs help dressing appropriately in the morning not normal. He doesn’t shower, and his mum baths him once a week not normal. He doesn’t use deo and is quite smelly most of the time. normal

He cannot use a knife and fork not normal. I don’t mean that he is bad with them, I literally mean he cannot use them. At breakfast he was unable to butter his toast. He just didn’t know how to hold the knife and even when shown, just could not do it. He also doesn’t use a fork, preferring a spoon or his fingers.

At lunch in a café he burst into tears when his jacket potato with cheese arrived with salad not normal. He had read the menu and ordered himself, but not realise it would come with salad. That was my fault for not explaining it. After pushing all the salad off the plate (he did use his knife for that) he requested a spoon and proceeded to eat the potato using a spoon and his fingers. He was pushing potato with his fingers onto his spoon, and picking up dropped potato with his fingers. It was embarrassing.

That evening I made steak, chips, mushrooms and peas. B wouldn’t eat the mushrooms or peas, ate the chips with fingers normal and, after I had to cut it for him normal ate the steak pieces with a spoon, using his fingers to push the pieces on. At mealtimes we tried to engage in conversation but all he could talk about was fortnite normal. At home he eats his meals on his own, on a tray in front of the TV. His standard meal is jacket potato with cheese, but sometimes he has a ham and cheese wrap. His parents eat after he has gone to bed. Even on a weekend, he eats separately in front of the TV. that's just sad, but unfortunately quite normal

All B wanted to do all day was sit in his room and play on his ipad, or sit in the living room and watch TV normal. It turned out that is all he does at home, and we had more tears and tantrums when I wouldn’t let him do that all day. He doesn’t participate in any activities (clubs, sports etc..), or have any friends. He can’t swim, ride a bike, kick a ball or tie shoe laces depends on parents - but not unsual. He doesn’t read books normal unfortunately. He is very overweight and did not want to play at the park I took him to. He would burst into tears at the drop of a hat not normal and everything is always someone else’s fault normal. His diet is very limited and does not include salad or vegetables unless you count potato I have a very fussy eater who is similar despite me trying and his siblings being excellent eaters, so not unusual. He likes to snack on crisps and full fat coke and had a full-on meltdown when he learned that we don’t have crisps in the house and only had coke zero, demanding that we go to the supermarket to buy them (we didn’t).

I mix of normal tween behaviour, and very babyish behaviour. The crying constantly is incredibly strange and concerning. But that could be what he's just grown used to - cry and he gets his own way so not necessarily anything underlying except shit parenting

I agree with the above. Except maybe I’d use typical instead of normal.

He sounds like he has no resilience to normal stressors, lacks fine motor skills and gross motor skills and he doesn’t sound like he has been taught to do anything.

They are all really concerning. Could you suggest one thing to try and get them to the GP that doesn’t sound critical.

Can he dress himself? Like can he do up buttons and zips and stuff or what would happen if he dressed himself?

Theothername · 17/05/2024 20:28

Quite a bit like my autistic ds at 10 (with exceptions) and he might have regressed in an unfamiliar situation with that many sensory demands.

Deadringer · 17/05/2024 20:39

Definitely not a typical 10 year old, it sounds like he either has special needs or is being neglected by his parents, or perhaps both.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 17/05/2024 20:39

Another vote for this isn’t normal.

I have 2 boys, one an adult and one 14. Both could chat for hours about Minecraft or Pokemon as it was in the eldest’s case. That’s where the comparison ends.

They were both looking after their own personal hygiene by then too. They did need the odd bit of supervision with teeth to make sure they were doing them properly (regular disclosing tablets).

To not be able tie shoe laces or do something as basic as use a knife and fork is really worrying at 10. Unless there are some undiagnosed special needs.

As for what to do; I just don’t know without it causing issues. You’re a bit stuck. If you think your brother would be receptive to you bringing it up then you could try but otherwise I think I’d just stay quiet. And keep an eye on things.

Ossoduro2 · 17/05/2024 20:48

The fussiness with food can be normal for some 10 year olds. I would expect him to use a knife and fork though.

The inane chat about Fortnite is totally normal! As is the desire to spend one’s entire day on a screen. However, my kids would always chose sports over screens if that was on offer.

assuming no disabilities, I would expect a child to be able to swim and ride a bike by 4 (or 5 at the latest). Shoe laces are trickier. My 6 year old can’t tie his shoes - I think most have mastered it by 8 years old.

the crying could be due to tiredness, if he is spending too much time on screens it will affect his sleep.

Ossoduro2 · 17/05/2024 20:49

Sorry, forgot the personal hygiene bit. My older boys were reliably brushing their teeth and showering daily by about 8 years old without needing a reminder. We still brush the 6 year olds teeth and force him into the shower.

FusionChefGeoff · 17/05/2024 20:58

I think the food and meals sounds so sad - just the bare minimum and shoved in the living room on your own. They're not giving him the skills he needs and they sound pretty lazy to me.

Poor kid I think it's awful.

Yes they want to watch TV and game all day but it's our jobs as parents to engage them in other stuff that distracts from that.

If they can't even be bothered to sit at a table with him whilst he eats I imagine he gets very little interaction throughout the day

Gagaandgag · 17/05/2024 21:09

I’d say a combination of SEND and neglectful patenting

Noseybookworm · 17/05/2024 22:31

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/05/2024 12:08

A lot of it sounds completely normal plus hormones are getting going at this age.

Completely normal? Are you serious? I have 5 sons and I can tell you none of what OP described is normal for a 10 year old! The poor child lacks basic skills that should have been taught at 3/4 years of age.

Differentstarts · 17/05/2024 22:32

I can't believe the amount of people saying this is normal he will be going to secondary school next year and his mum still baths him and takes him to the toilet and he eats his meals with a spoon and fingers. This is absolutely not normal